Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/02/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Actually Mark that is exactly what is starting to happen in some studios! Scott > On Feb 24, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > > You're just not selling me on the idea that serious shooters or pros are > shooting 4/3's cameras. certainly a cameras does not need to be light or > tiny underwater. I cant think of any other convoluted reason. > There is no logic to the idea that the line between 1.5x and 2x formats has > been somehow magically blurred. > In general what is happening is not "the technology is advancing lets more > down in format" but quite the opposite. > > >> On 2/24/14 4:55 PM, "Jim Laurel (gmail)" <jplaurel at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> If you stop in at Glazers Camera here in Seattle (a "real" camera store >> with >> complete lines in stock at any given time and knowledgeable sales people), >> you'll see that the largest number of people are always milling around the >> mirrorless counters. Every time I walk in there, someone is fondling an >> EM-5, >> GX-7 or EM-1 and marveling at their handsome design and good handling. >> Then >> there's the look of disbelief on their faces when the salesperson hands >> them >> Panasonic's 12-35 (24-70 equiv) f/2.8 that weighs only 305 grams, or the >> Olympus 12mm f/2 (24mm equiv) that weighs just 130 grams... Once you >> educate >> buyers and show them the alternative (i.e., a Canon 60D with the 24-70mm >> f/2.8L), then let them take a few shots and look at them on a computer, >> they >> understand where things are going. ;) >> >> --Jim >> >> >>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Another problem with REAL camera sales is so many REAL camera stores are >>> gone from the scene. >>> >>> As far as I know there are only four camera stores left in all of >>> Louisiana, all in New Orleans. >>> >>> There's no inventory of serious choices at the Best Buys and Targets that >>> have "replaced" them. >>> >>> We're reaping what we sowed when we shunned the little camera stores for >>> mail order. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Jim Laurel (gmail) >>> <jplaurel at gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> They are doing well in at least one area, albeit very niche area: >>>> underwater photography. A couple of the major dealers in the country >>>> for UW >>>> photo and video gear tell me that m4/3 is outselling DLSR systems 6 to >>>> 1. >>>> >>>> The disappointing popularity of mirrorless in North America is due to >>>> uninformed consumers and also the fallacy that really good image quality >>>> starts at APS-C. Already M4/3 is very hard to distinguish from APS-C for >>>> most applications. And the fact remains that larger sensors mean larger >>>> lenses. Neither of the top 2 manufacturers of APS-C DSLRs has ever made >>>> a >>>> serious attempt at a high quality lens line for their cop sensor >>>> cameras. >>>> I'm talking about a full range of high speed primes and fast zooms, so >>>> if >>>> the users of APS-C cameras want really good glass, they're forced into >>>> the >>>> full frame lines. Only the m4/3 consortium have made a serious attempt >>>> at a >>>> complete system with premium glass optimized for the smaller sensor. The >>>> jewel-like Olympus 12mm f/1.8, the 75mm f/1.8, Panasonic 8mm fisheye and >>>> 7-14 are the result. Extremely compact lenses of extremely high optical >>>> quality. >>>> >>>> It's funny to look back and remember all the prejudice against the >>>> "small >>>> format" 24mm x 26mm when it was first introduced. But as film quality >>>> improved, so did the viability of the 135 format for almost every >>>> application. The same will be true of sensors, only it will happen >>>> faster, >>>> and in 10 years' time, a lens the size and weight of Canon's 70-200mm >>>> f/2.8 >>>> IS USM will look like quite the relic, while Panasonic's 35-100 f/2.8 >>>> will >>>> be regarded as having been a harbinger of the future. >>>> >>>> --Jim >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> And Panasonic. >>>>> >>>>> It seems to the average western consumer a mirrorless is a step up from >>>> what >>>>> they get with their Smartphone but they don't find it necessary to take >>>> that >>>>> step they are more conserved with getting the pix out of their phones >>>> onto >>>>> their facebook or Instasgram or other social network galleries than >>>> hanging >>>>> a show on the wall of a gallery with exposed brick behind them. >>>>> We have to be careful when we say "mirrorless" now as they seem to come >>>> in >>>>> two distinct form factors. The original flat ones which could also >>>> emulate >>>>> compact rangefinder cameras. And ones which look like DSLR'S which are >>>>> lightweight but too chunky to be called flat. >>>>> The articles states Asian ladies like the mirrorless as they are light >>>> into >>>>> to put in their purse. Western ladies don't see that? >>>>> The bottom line from all I can see is how to get the publics smart >>>>> phones >>>>> out of their cold dead hands to take a picture or do anything with >>>> anything >>>>> else. One step up is not enough over here it seems it seems we need to >>>>> go >>>>> two steps up and make it a camera which really shoots a quality >>>>> pictures >>>> IE >>>>> having a sensor at least 1.5x crop. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/mirrorless-camera-sales-disappoint-2013-12 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sonny >>> http://sonc.com/look/ >>> Natchitoches, Louisiana >>> 1714 >>> Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase >>> >>> USA >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information