Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/02/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Really Scott which pro studies are trading in their full frame DSLR's for cropped? Problem is when the sensors get better so do the full frame sensors. And pros get very excited about the quality of their output going up; not down. On 2/24/14 6:31 PM, "Scott Gregory" <scottgregory at mac.com> wrote: > Actually Mark that is exactly what is starting to happen in some studios! > Scott > >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >> >> You're just not selling me on the idea that serious shooters or pros are >> shooting 4/3's cameras. certainly a cameras does not need to be light or >> tiny underwater. I cant think of any other convoluted reason. >> There is no logic to the idea that the line between 1.5x and 2x formats >> has >> been somehow magically blurred. >> In general what is happening is not "the technology is advancing lets more >> down in format" but quite the opposite. >> >> >>> On 2/24/14 4:55 PM, "Jim Laurel (gmail)" <jplaurel at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> If you stop in at Glazers Camera here in Seattle (a "real" camera store >>> with >>> complete lines in stock at any given time and knowledgeable sales >>> people), >>> you'll see that the largest number of people are always milling around >>> the >>> mirrorless counters. Every time I walk in there, someone is fondling an >>> EM-5, >>> GX-7 or EM-1 and marveling at their handsome design and good handling. >>> Then >>> there's the look of disbelief on their faces when the salesperson hands >>> them >>> Panasonic's 12-35 (24-70 equiv) f/2.8 that weighs only 305 grams, or the >>> Olympus 12mm f/2 (24mm equiv) that weighs just 130 grams... Once you >>> educate >>> buyers and show them the alternative (i.e., a Canon 60D with the 24-70mm >>> f/2.8L), then let them take a few shots and look at them on a computer, >>> they >>> understand where things are going. ;) >>> >>> --Jim >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Another problem with REAL camera sales is so many REAL camera stores are >>>> gone from the scene. >>>> >>>> As far as I know there are only four camera stores left in all of >>>> Louisiana, all in New Orleans. >>>> >>>> There's no inventory of serious choices at the Best Buys and Targets >>>> that >>>> have "replaced" them. >>>> >>>> We're reaping what we sowed when we shunned the little camera stores for >>>> mail order. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Jim Laurel (gmail) >>>> <jplaurel at gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> They are doing well in at least one area, albeit very niche area: >>>>> underwater photography. A couple of the major dealers in the country >>>>> for >>>>> UW >>>>> photo and video gear tell me that m4/3 is outselling DLSR systems 6 to >>>>> 1. >>>>> >>>>> The disappointing popularity of mirrorless in North America is due to >>>>> uninformed consumers and also the fallacy that really good image >>>>> quality >>>>> starts at APS-C. Already M4/3 is very hard to distinguish from APS-C >>>>> for >>>>> most applications. And the fact remains that larger sensors mean larger >>>>> lenses. Neither of the top 2 manufacturers of APS-C DSLRs has ever >>>>> made a >>>>> serious attempt at a high quality lens line for their cop sensor >>>>> cameras. >>>>> I'm talking about a full range of high speed primes and fast zooms, so >>>>> if >>>>> the users of APS-C cameras want really good glass, they're forced into >>>>> the >>>>> full frame lines. Only the m4/3 consortium have made a serious attempt >>>>> at >>>>> a >>>>> complete system with premium glass optimized for the smaller sensor. >>>>> The >>>>> jewel-like Olympus 12mm f/1.8, the 75mm f/1.8, Panasonic 8mm fisheye >>>>> and >>>>> 7-14 are the result. Extremely compact lenses of extremely high optical >>>>> quality. >>>>> >>>>> It's funny to look back and remember all the prejudice against the >>>>> "small >>>>> format" 24mm x 26mm when it was first introduced. But as film quality >>>>> improved, so did the viability of the 135 format for almost every >>>>> application. The same will be true of sensors, only it will happen >>>>> faster, >>>>> and in 10 years' time, a lens the size and weight of Canon's 70-200mm >>>>> f/2.8 >>>>> IS USM will look like quite the relic, while Panasonic's 35-100 f/2.8 >>>>> will >>>>> be regarded as having been a harbinger of the future. >>>>> >>>>> --Jim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> And Panasonic. >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems to the average western consumer a mirrorless is a step up >>>>>> from >>>>> what >>>>>> they get with their Smartphone but they don't find it necessary to >>>>>> take >>>>> that >>>>>> step they are more conserved with getting the pix out of their phones >>>>> onto >>>>>> their facebook or Instasgram or other social network galleries than >>>>> hanging >>>>>> a show on the wall of a gallery with exposed brick behind them. >>>>>> We have to be careful when we say "mirrorless" now as they seem to >>>>>> come >>>>> in >>>>>> two distinct form factors. The original flat ones which could also >>>>> emulate >>>>>> compact rangefinder cameras. And ones which look like DSLR'S which are >>>>>> lightweight but too chunky to be called flat. >>>>>> The articles states Asian ladies like the mirrorless as they are light >>>>> into >>>>>> to put in their purse. Western ladies don't see that? >>>>>> The bottom line from all I can see is how to get the publics smart >>>>>> phones >>>>>> out of their cold dead hands to take a picture or do anything with >>>>> anything >>>>>> else. One step up is not enough over here it seems it seems we need >>>>>> to go >>>>>> two steps up and make it a camera which really shoots a quality >>>>>> pictures >>>>> IE >>>>>> having a sensor at least 1.5x crop. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/mirrorless-camera-sales-disappoint-2013-12 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Sonny >>>> http://sonc.com/look/ >>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana >>>> 1714 >>>> Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase >>>> >>>> USA >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photographer >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photographer http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/