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Subject: [Leica] Interesting technical problem--your thoughts?
From: ric at cartersxrd.net (RicCarter)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 23:02:21 -0400
References: <531FA532.5050407@lighttube.net> <CF45364E.19952%mark@rabinergroup.com> <ed7f4c941fbf30fffa2ea9839b9c2f0b@mail.gmail.com>

i have a mystery leak in a IIIf
repairmen say it is not possible so cannot be fixed
black tape around a couple of spots (lugs & top/body seam) seem to have 
fixed it
was only happening when camera spent a little time in bright light (as on 
car seat)
then again, maybe it's only my imagination
ric


On Mar 11, 2014, at 10:07 PM, Jim Shulman <jshulman at judgecrater.com> 
wrote:

> I thought as much, but when it happened with three different FILCAs I
> tended to look elsewhere.
> 
> The mystery continues.
> 
> J
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf 
> Of
> Mark Rabiner
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:53 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Interesting technical problem--your thoughts?
> 
> Looks like a re loadable cassette at the end of its run. Time to replace.
> Happened to me a million times. You can try to keep them out of the sun
> but you'll get this anyway.
> 
> 
> On 3/11/14 8:07 PM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
> 
>> Jim,
>> 
>> My original Leica, which I still have, was a IIIa.  I shot numerous
>> rolls of bulk film, but I loaded the film into Kodak cartridges, which
>> were fairly simple to separate and reassemble. I don't recall ever
>> seeing anything like your example, which shows the fogging goes to the
>> edge of the film stock.  I have never used Leica cartridges, but seem
>> to recall they have a felt seal.  I think the problem stems from the
>> cartridge.  Perhaps a loose felt strip that only bends back on occasion.
>> 
>> Just my two cents.
>> 
>> PS:  Does the "leak"  always show up in the same spot relative to the
>> frame, or is the placement more random?
>> 
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> 
>> On 3/11/2014 6:44 PM, Jim Shulman wrote:
>>> Well, I've been shooting with my IIIb/SCNOO ensemble for a few weeks,
>>> and love it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> With one exception:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The other day I was merrily shooting away with Kodak 5222 loaded into
>>> several of the Leica metal FILCA cartridges for the IIIb/SCNOO
>>> combination.  After processing, I noticed that several of the frames
>>> seemed to have a strange fogging, almost like a crescent dagger from
>>> the bottom of the frame (bottom, as in what was in the bottom of the
>>> camera) about every so often, maybe five frames total out of 40.
>>> These came when I was shooting in regular daylight--some bright sun,
>>> some shade, and did my film loading in subdued light (or indoors).
>>> I've attached an image file showing the offending "dagger" fogging.
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/focusit/filca+fog.jpg.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Seemed strange.  So I ran a side-by-side test at end of day, first
>>> shooting a roll of FILCA-loaded Kodak 5222, then a roll of Fuji Acros
>>> 100 in the standard Fuji metal cartridge.  Both came out fine with no
>>> dagger-like fogging.  The sun was out, but not brightly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I thought I might have misloaded the FILCAs for some reason, so I
>>> loaded another and went out shooting in regular bright daylight.
>>> Again, every so often there was the dagger-like fog at the bottom of
>>> the occasional frame (and no pattern to the "daggers"; they appeared
>>> irregularly.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yesterday, I ran another test: I shot a roll of very old Plus-X, in
>>> the standard Kodak cartridge, in bright sunlight.  I took off the
>>> lens and aimed the camera at the bright sun; I shot in brightly lit
>>> areas, I shot in dim areas.  No fogging whatsoever on the film.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Any idea what's happening?  If it were a camera light leak, it would
>>> have happened on all types of film cartridges, both standard and Leica
> FILCA.
>>> If it were a FILCA problem alone, it would have leaked when I shot
>>> toward the end of day (in the double-blind test).  If it were a
>>> darkroom loading problem, it would have happened to all my film.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One suggestion I've received is that there's a tiny light leak near
>>> the take-up spool, based on the sharp definition of the leak pattern.
>>> If that's the case, though, why not on both FILCA and non-FILCA
>>> loads?  After all, the take up spool has nothing to do with the type of
> film cartridge.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As the King said, "It is a puzzlement".
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Jim Shulman
>>> 
>>> Wynnewood, PA
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photographer
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> 
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