Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/04/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]To state that those who become liberal arts majors do so because they couldn't do better is an insult to all Liberal Arts majors, just as saying that all people in india are arrogant and not good at their jobs based on experience with phone banks. -----Original Message----- From: Jayanand Govindaraj Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:42 AM To: Leica Users Group Subject: Re: [Leica] OT: Sony Sucks, big time Bill, I did make it clear I was talking about India. Asian parents are very professional course oriented. Why do you get insulted? Cheers Jayanand On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net> wrote: > Not to offend, jayanand, but my only experience with India is through > telephone banks, and those do not put a good face on your country. In the > US, the people who work for liberal arts degrees are not ones who take > second best, but are people who are sincerely dedicated to the values of > learning, and have in some cases carefully considered the employment > possibilities that will result. I have know many Liberal arts majors, and > not a one of them chose that because they couldn?t get into a science or > math program. That is, really, in US conditions, and insulting statement. > > -----Original Message----- From: Jayanand Govindaraj > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 3:31 AM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] OT: Sony Sucks, big time > > Bill, > Well I am not an Engineering Graduate, though I am a Math/Statistics > graduate. I have been hiring people in campus interviews, lateral > recruits, > freshers etc. since 1987, first for Citibank India and then for my own > company, all direct recruits into the management cadre. I think I have > enough experience to know what I am talking about - in fact in both cases, > for freshers, we were only worried about above average intelligence - the > banking/finance know how could easily be taught in a few months. I have > nothing against Liberal Arts majors, only the ones who opt for that stream > are those, in my experience, under Indian conditions, who could not get > admission in professional/commerce/science degree courses. Secondly, a > lack > of math knowledge is a severe handicap in most manufacturing/services > management trainee type of jobs. YMMV. > Cheers > Jayanand > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net> > wrote: > > You may not know this, and most employers certainly don't, but Liberal >> Arts and Fine Arts majors make the best employees. They learn fast, and >> are >> not filled with useless ideas about how to get things done, and more >> easily >> adapt to change. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gmail >> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:13 PM >> To: Leica Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Leica] OT: Sony Sucks, big time >> >> I was a liberal arts major (Econ) and have designed products and services >> that you very likely have used. Back in the 90s when I was at MSFT, there >> were loads of music majors writing code and even art history majors >> running >> product groups. The group program manager for the native apps on the >> original iphone was an English major. Many tech startup founders have >> liberal arts backgrounds. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 13, 2014, at 22:35, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Jim, But Liberal Arts majors are incapable of designing TVs or >>> manufacturing them in the first place! (-: So what is your point? >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Jim Gmail <jplaurel at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> That's what happens when the liberal arts are discarded in favor of >>>> more >>>> "practical" majors. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 20:19, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nathan, >>>>> >>>>> You may just have been a victim of the fact that most engineers cannot >>>>> >>>>> write, whether it's in English or Japanese. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Here's how I achieved fame in my department at Apple. A couple of guys >>>>> >>>>> "invented" a piece of software that gets independently invented at >>>> just >>>> about every company that writes software. The system controlled editing >>>> so >>>> that two or more people couldn't simultaneously make changes and step >>>> on >>>> each other's work. So, if one person "checks the software out" for >>>> editing, >>>> all others can get it on a read-only basis until the first person >>>> checks >>>> it >>>> back in. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I had to use this simple thing, and the write-up by it's authors was >>>>> so >>>>> >>>>> damn unintelligible that I had to figure out how to work it by trial >>>> and >>>> error. After then using it, I just decided, on my own to write a >>>> manual. >>>> My >>>> boss was so impressed that I got an imaginative reward: three bottles >>>> of >>>> wine a month for a year. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Subsequently, I was picked to edit our release notes, which ultimately >>>>> >>>>> grew to about 350 pages. I had a great experience editing the >>>> writings of >>>> people, with a few exceptions, couldn't write. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Herbert Kanner >>>>> kanner at acm.org >>>>> 650-326-8204 >>>>> >>>>> Question authority and the authorities will question you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:44 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I have never owned a Sony camera, and now I know for sure that I >>>>>> never >>>>>> >>>>>> will. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> We just bought a 65-inch Sony Bravia TV, one of the latest models, >>>>> not >>>>>> >>>>>> cheap to put it mildly. Great picture, but we have struggling for 2 >>>>> days >>>>> >>>> with the simple task (or should be simple) to connect a garden variety >>>> laptop to the TV using its wifi interface so that the TV in effect acts >>>> as >>>> a computer monitor, but without the clutter of HDMI cables and all >>>> that. >>>> The menus and instructions for Sony products were apparently originally >>>> written in Klingon, then translated into Japanese and then to English. >>>> And >>>> it appears that unless your computer is a Sony Vaio, you have to >>>> perform >>>> various unnatural acts. Everything Sony seems to be proprietary. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I think the TV is going back to the store (fortunately, we bought >>>>>> >>>>>> locally), to be replace by a Samsung or LG. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Nathan >>>>>> >>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> YNWA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. 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