Re: [Leica] LUG Critique - listen up!

[Walter S Delesandri <walt@jove.acs.unt.edu>]

This is a "directed" chat line that goes in circles.  I've only been 
here a coupla years, and the subjects have come full circle several times.
I'm also a ham radio operator, and we use VHF repeaters for local chat.
VERY similar to a mail reflector!....and sometimes folks bitch about what 
we talk about.  I'll say the same for the reflector as I say to the 
whiners on the radio....turn the damn thing off if/when you don't like what 
you hear(read)....I do, and have...!!!
Now, how 'bout them UV filters? :)
Walt


On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:39:45 -0700 Bill Larsen <ohlen@lightspeed.net> 
wrote:
> Paul Chefurka writes:
> 
> 
> >On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:05:09 -0400 (EDT), Ktuckphoto@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>I'm new to the site but I'm a little surprised at several things:
> >> 1. The unending prattle about cars (who cars--they are just expensive
> camera cases).
> >
> >Sounds to me like you're new here.  We get off topic a fair bit.  It's
> >like a family - we chat about all kinds of stuff.  BTW , what's your
> >favorite Scotch?
> 
> 
> This list has been getting off-topic quite a bit.  And posters have been
> reiterating things that were discussed a couple of years ago.  The list is
> busily degenerating into a AOL chat line.  It has been like a family insofar
> as you could usually trust the advice you get.  With exceptions, this does not
> appear to be the case anymore.  As to Scotch, it appears that many of the
> posts made lately have been made after the poster has slurped a bit too much
> Scotch.
> 
> >
> >> 2.  The vehemence of debate over eye glasses
> >See above
> 
> 
> That is no answer, Paul.  It is symptomatic of how this list has become a chat
> line.  We are also being reduced to ethno-centric debates which could quickly
> blow up in our faces.
> 
> >> 3.  The lack of substantive material concerning Leica Rangefinder Cameras.
> >You are definitely new here, aintcha?  Stick around, there's lots of
> >talk about Ms and SMs on this list  - patience, grasshopper, patience.
> 
> 
> There used to be a lot of talk about rangefinder cameras (which is the charter
> of the list --- not Leica in general).  Unfortunately, to my perception some
> of the really knowledgeable people were driven from the list or choose to no
> longer post to the list (they appear to be willing to post privately, though).
> The replies now posted have less credibility than they did in the past.  Often
> they are flat a**** wrong.  Now you get opinion from people that have never
> seen the item in question much less used it.
> 
> >
> >>One more thing
> >>baffles me:  How can individuals who are smart enough to appreciate a fine
> >>piece of gear such as an M camera possible to their digital imaging on PC
> >>---windows computers.  That's like putting a Nikkor 43-86 mm zoom lense on
> >>your M6 and wondering why your photos aren't sharp.  Like putting a Hundai
> >>four cylinder engine in your BMW M5 and wondering why there's no
> acceleration.
> >
> >Well, there are a couple of ways to look at Leica M pictures.  One is
> >"I have the best lenses in the world and nothing shall stand between
> >their magnificence and my final output".  The other is "Look at this
> >great picture.  I would hate to entrust it to the tender mercies of a
> >commercial lab - after all, I know what it's supposed to look like.
> >And seeing as how I live in an apartment with scant room for an Omega
> >D4, but I already have this computer..."  Have you ever seen the
> >output from a decent scanner and an Epson Photo 750?  I have, and
> >frankly, I don't care if I ever smell acetic acid again (except on a
> >salad, of course).
> 
> 
> Paul, you might want to subscribe to the Contax-G list.  They are just as
> off-topic as the LUG, but their experts on scanning and computers state their
> real life qualifications.  Plus their posters have not answered with "one
> worders" such as "bark."
> 
> So why do I remain on this list?  What is the value of one good idea?  We
> still have people with some sense such as Ted Grant.  I personally have seen
> the work of Gary and Tina.  That generates thought such as "I can do that ...
> I need to learn that ... what a great concept ... and jeez...don't do that."
> In the 2-1/2 years I have been on the list, I have followed the advice of list
> members as regards to how to integrate the M system and R system ... the
> differences ... when to use one and when to use the other ... where to get
> service on one's camera without eating your lunch.  It has been a valuable and
> enlightening experience.  I hope that it returns to that type of status.
> 'Nuff said ... other than I would hate to think that new subscribers think the
> list has always been what it appears to have become.
> 
> Bill Larsen
> 
>