Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/09/20

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Ballpark
From: "Robert G. Stevens" <robsteve@hfx.andara.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:27:35 -0300

Johhny:

I assume when you shot movie film you used this same system and not an
incident meter ;-) 

 An incident can't be beat with slide film.  Ball park guesses are fine for
print film.  I do however revert to the sunny 16 rule if shooting outside
withut an incident meter.  I shoot a lot of sports on slide film with a
400mm or longer lens.  An in camera meter does not work even with matrix
metering because the angle of view is soo small, your scene could for
example be composed of 75% white jersey of the players.  I experimented
when shooting superbike races and could watch my reading change by a stop
depending on where the brightly painted bike was in the frame.  It only
confirmed my used of an incident meter.

Regards,

Robert

At 07:58 PM 9/20/99 +0100, Johnny Deadman wrote:
>I am with those people who meter with their eyes, then check on the 
>machinery. In fact, between 1/30 @ f1.4 and 1/500 @ f22 at your chosen speed
>of film, say 400, you have covered the entire useful brightness range you
>are ever likely to encounter as a photographer. You know how many brightness
>values that is? Fourteen. Most of them are values you will encounter again
>and again and again.
>
>How hard can it be to learn what they look like?
>
>Now, the interesting thing is, you can knock them off one by one. Here
>goes...with my version...others might like to fill in or amend.
>
>"Sunny f16" says f16 at 1/ASA in bright sun
>Hazy f11 says f11 at 1/ASA in hazy sun with clear shadows
>Bright cloud f8
>Dark cloud/open shade f5.6
>Thunderstorm/onset of dusk f4
>Deep wooded shade 1/30 @ 2.8 @ 400 ASA
>Overhead 60w tungsten, light interior shadow in daylight 1/30 @ f2 @ 400 ASA
>Dim overhead tungsten, darker interior daylight shadow 1/30 @ 1.4 @ 400 ASA
>
>These are all obviously very rough, but it's a lot like learning perfect
>pitch as a musician.
>
>Exercise: every time you meter, however you do it, take a guess first.
>
>You'll be amazed how good you get, how quickly. If you photograph with
>someone else, it becomes a somewhat compulsive game. "f16 @ 1/250". "Never!
>f11" And so on.
>
>--
>Johnny Deadman
>
>"When a dog runs at you, whistle for him" - Thoreau
>
>