Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/01/17
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Well, I guess we've had enough fun with this. I think the poster who said he didn't learn anything from Erwin's site went too far. I've certainly spent time at Erwin's site, enjoyed it, and learned from it. I do appreciate Erwin's work. I also think it goes too far to say that everyone must test his or her own lenses. Technical lens testing is very important; it's also interesting; it's informative; and it has its place. But it has its limits, too. It doesn't tell the whole story. It reminds me of the high-school sex-education classes that teach the mechanics of bodily reproduction with charts and diagrams of fallopian tubes and whatnot. All true and scientific; but it doesn't tell the whole story of sex, eh? Because there's another side to the same things, other way of experiencing the same things, other ways of looking at the same things. The sort of "test" or trial I'm proposing has its place, too. No, it's not everything. No, it doesn't mimic or replace technical optical testing. No, it won't "prove" anything--merely indicate something. Maybe. And if we _were_ to take it and gussy it up and torque it around and make it oh-so rigorous and scientific and well defined, all its messy variables nicely slotted away and accounted for as if it were scientific, then it would become useless--because then it would not tell us what we want to find out. Because then we'd have Erwin and the others getting out their magnifying glasses and their resolving charts or whatnot and measuring this and that quality and deducing logically and scientifically whether one lens is resolving this or reaching that level of contrast and concluding that lens A must be such-and-such and lens B must be that-and-so. And that's not what we want to find out. This is more like a field-trial, and it falls under the heading of empirics--it has to do with putting measurements aside and finding out whether what we're talking about has any obvious practical effect when it's experienced as intended. That is, whether one print looks really swell and another one looks kinda average, and whether *that* distinction can be chalked up to anything consistently. That's all. It's not a trivial question, and it's hardly an illegitimate mode of inquiring about it, as some of you seem so anxious to assert (I've never heard such a load of nervous excuses in my life! Pontifica-ca about religion and the like--puh-leeeeez!). Some of the most influential and innovative photographic experiments of the century just ending were conducted just this way--the work of Loyd Jones and C.E.K. Mees, the just-noticeable-difference method of tone discrimination and the determination of optimum print contrast upon which the contrast-control system we still use today (in b&w) is based (Ansel Adams based the Zone System on his simplifications of the work of Mees and Jones). Many of these tests were carried out by making up batches of prints and showing them to viewers and asking questions about them. A fine lens is a pleasure. Certainly, one of the best ways of assuring oneself of the pleasures of quality is to buy from the best and most reputable companies. But then, I'm not exactly threatening to take your fine lenses away from you here, am I? Am I really threatening your cherished beliefs so direly? I'm just asking you to have a look at some prints and answer a few questions. Are those of you who object to that so terribly insecure that you can't stand the thought of being wrong? Heck, you've demonstrated that you've got bristling phalanxes of excuses all ready to deploy if needed. And even once you see the prints, you're still not under any obligation I can think of to answer the questions or play the game. Sheesh! How can I make this any more painless? Lastly--aren't any of you in the skeptic's brigade the least bit _curious_?!? - --Mike