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Subject: RE: [Leica] Noctilux result????
From: Chandos Brown <cmbrow@wm.edu>
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 16:14:56 -0500

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<font size=3>This is a silly conversation.&nbsp; Look at the
photos.&nbsp; If you don't like what you see, then don't buy the
lens.&nbsp; If you do, then figure out whether it's worth the money to
*you* to own.&nbsp; I do not find vignetting to be an especial problem
wide open.&nbsp; Others do.&nbsp; What's the point of this endless
vaporing about non-issues?<br>
<br>
The single advantage it possesses for me is that it allows me to make the
sort of photos that I want to make.&nbsp; What other advantage is
relevant?<br>
<br>
Chandos<br>
<br>
<br>
At 03:31 PM 01/22/2000 -0500, you wrote:<br>
&gt;Hey Dan,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;F1.0, let's see. $2900, can only use it at &gt;f4. Hmmmm. Why would I
want this<br>
&gt;lens again? I'm not trying to be a smard A.., but something
doesn't<br>
&gt;correlate. I admit I know nothing of lens, so what are the
advantages?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Rob Mueller<br>
&gt;<a href="http://www.studiesinblackandwhite.com/" eudora="autourl">www.studiesinblackandwhite.com</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;-----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us<br>
&gt;[<a href="mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us%5DOn" eudora="autourl">mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On</a>
Behalf Of Dan S<br>
&gt;Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 1:34 PM<br>
&gt;To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us<br>
&gt;Subject: RE: [Leica] Noctilux result????<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; ----------<br>
&gt;&gt; From:
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>Dan
S[SMTP:DSTATE1@HOTMAIL.COM]<br>
&gt;&gt; Sent:
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>Saturday,
January 22, 2000 1:34:13 PM<br>
&gt;&gt; To: <x-tab>&nbsp;</x-tab>leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us<br>
&gt;&gt; Subject: <x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>RE: [Leica]
Noctilux result????<br>
&gt;&gt; Auto forwarded by a Rule<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;Rob, this is only evident at the widest apertures.&nbsp; It is one of
the trade<br>
&gt;offs of an F1.0 lens.&nbsp; Stopped down this lens is really
superb.&nbsp; Indeed at f<br>
&gt;4.0-f11.0 I would doubt most users could tell it from the Summicron M
at<br>
&gt;enlargments less than 10x...and no way could you judge the difference
when<br>
&gt;using high speed film.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Dan<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Ted,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Would you accept this vignetting image from any other lens? No.
Why must we<br>
&gt;&gt;make excuses for this? Because it is Leica? As an artist I object
to this<br>
&gt;&gt;in<br>
&gt;&gt;the image. I think it looks terrible and completely detracts from
the<br>
&gt;&gt;photo.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Rob Mueller<br>
&gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.studiesinblackandwhite.com/" eudora="autourl">www.studiesinblackandwhite.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;-----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;&gt;From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us<br>
&gt;&gt;[<a href="mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us%5DOn" eudora="autourl">mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On</a>
Behalf Of Ted Grant<br>
&gt;&gt;Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 11:09 PM<br>
&gt;&gt;To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us<br>
&gt;&gt;Subject: Re: [Leica] Noctilux result????<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; ----------<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; From: <x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>Ted
Grant[SMTP:TEDGRANT@ISLANDNET.COM]<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Sent: <x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>Friday,
January 21, 2000 11:09:03 PM<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; To:
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Subject: <x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>Re: [Leica] Noctilux
result????<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Auto forwarded by a Rule<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Jerry S. Justianto wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;Please see my first pictures with my Noctilux :-(<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;<a href="http://noctilux.homepage.com/photoalbum.html" eudora="autourl">http://Noctilux.homepage.com/photoalbum.html</a><br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;Why do I get vignetting with these pictures?<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;Above me are 4 neon lights and windows on my right
side.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;I am using E60 filter for my Noct.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;from 5 pictures taht I shot all at 1.0 all have some funny
shadow on<br>
&gt;&gt;it.&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Hi Jerry,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;I guess nobody told you that the Noctilux at f 1,0 does vignette
on<br>
&gt;&gt;corners. But it's no big deal other than when you run into
plain<br>
&gt;&gt;backgrounds as you have in yours.&nbsp; But the vignetting isn't
objectionable,<br>
&gt;&gt;just kind of adds a framing factor to the image.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;And take that filter and throw it away, all it'll do is screw-up
your<br>
&gt;&gt;images. You don't need any filters on a Noctilux, I guess you
weren't told<br>
&gt;&gt;it's against the law and you could be arrested for putting a
filter on the<br>
&gt;&gt;worlds most remarkable lens for night light and no light? :) Well
not quite<br>
&gt;&gt;but wait a bit for further comments on the filter.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;ted<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Ted Grant<br>
&gt;&gt;This is Our Work. The Legacy of Sir William Osler.<br>
&gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant" eudora="autourl">http://www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
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