Re: [Leica] Ted Grant's Ravings

["Robert Bedwell" <rlb@triad.rr.com>]

Yes, Peter we must accept the fact that there is a new generation of
photographers that aren't the least bit impressed that the Leicas today are
made the way they were when we were kids.  They relate to Playstations,
computers and digital cameras.  There is not much that you, Ted or I can do
to stop it and I am not sure that I would stop it if I could.  The next "M"
camera must address these issues or it's life is definitely in question.

Bob

P.S.  Ted, although I referenced you in this note you don't have to respond.
You never do and it doesn't make any difference anyway.


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" <peterk@lucent.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Ted Grant's Ravings


> Here, here.  I am with you Bob. I would love a whizbang M7 with a proper
> film loading system, perhaps even an autoloading system.  Like you I do
not
> collect, I use cameras.
>
> Peter K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Bedwell [mailto:rlb@triad.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 10:23 AM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Ted Grant's Ravings
>
>
> Don't understand....why does a new Leica  electronic M camera have to be
an
> entry level model.     If the M camera is the profitable end of Leica why
> shouldn't a new electronic M be based on a successful format.  Seems to me
> that an "entry model" would surely be a way to non-acceptance.
>
> I know that it is difficult to believe that there are some of us that
would
> welcome an electronic model.  It doesn't mean that it would replace what
we
> have.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Grant" <tedgrant@islandnet.com>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Ted Grant's Ravings
>
>
> > Stephen Gandy wrote:
> >
> > >Ted I agree with most of what you say, but this is hardly an "either
or"
> > >world.   When Leica does make some sort of major M6 update, it's hard
to
> > >believe today's mechanical M6 would be discontinued.   Why not both
> > >cameras in the Leica lineup ?
> > >
> > >However something is broken, but it's not the camera -- it's the lack
of
> black
> > >ink in Solms.
> >
> > <<< The "Ain't broke and needs no fixin'!" argument at Leica makes no
> sense
> > to me when the little boat is slowly sinking in a sea of red ink.
> > Something has to be done, and it needs to work.>>>
> >
> > Hi Stephen,
> > Quite right! The profit of the company, like the rest of us who run our
> > own, has to make money, period!  Isn't that why we own our own business?
> > And that's one of the facts of economic life.
> >
> > And Solms isn't running a "Leica Benevolent Society" there has to be
> profit
> > for share holders.
> >
> > And I agree with you, they should have some kind of "entry level body."
> > Wasn't the RE supposed to be an entry body to get people into the R
> camera?
> >
> > Who knows, maybe as we write, Leica has a model to challenge the new
> > rangefinder cameras coming to market, but have just kept lips tight so
> they
> > can come on with a major bang and bump the upstarts out of the way. (to
be
> > seen to be believed)
> >
> > A company can go on so long in the red, no matter how fine the product
is,
> > when eventually someone pulls the plug.  Be a shame if that happens. But
> > I'm always trying to think positive and that they'll see the light, fool
> > everyone, and come out with an interesting economical new M lens camera.
> >
> > Only time will tell.
> >
> > ted
> >
> > Ted Grant
> > This is Our Work. The Legacy of Sir William Osler.
> > http://www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant
> >
> >