Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/12/07

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Split-offs
From: Javier Perez <summarex@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:11:53 -0500
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There's a LEG?
Is that a collector's onlt group?
Perhaps there should be a
Leica fixer's group as well.

How boring.

Mark Rabiner wrote:

> Nathan Wajsman wrote:
> >
> > Ray,
> >
> > While I appreciate your enthusiasm, I hope you fail. Why? Because I do NOT
> > want the discussion of R stuff to migrate away from the LUG. If people find
> > that there is not enough discussion of the Leica reflex line here, they can
> > just start threads. I started out as a user of Leica M, but when I was
> > considering whether to get into Leica reflex as well, I asked questions
> > here and received helpful answers from a number of people, including Doug
> > Herr, Pascal, Jim Brick and others. I find this cross-fertilization very
> > useful; at the moment I do not use any LTM gear but I do not mind
> > discussions of it here. So I hope we all stay here on the LUG.
> >
> > Nathan
> ><Snip>
>
> I agree with this completely and feel it is VERY important.
> These are split offs and they are nasty.
> We need all the Leica discussion on the LUG possible.
> We have fun with our off topic threads but the on topic threads are why we are here.
> And we are here to talk about Leica cameras.
>
> When the LEG was created it was a nasty deal and talking about it as if it were
> some kind of logical conclusion to some technical problem is disingenuous. It
> was about personal hostilities, nothing more, nothing less.
> Enthusiasts? Baloney!!
> When their threads dry up they visit here as if they are our friends from the
> other side of the hill.
> They have weakened this list.
>
> The idea here being proposed about an SLR list doesn't seem to be based on
> personal stuff that i can tell.
> It's just a tad simple… will draw discussions away form the LUG; will effect us negatively.
>
> Discussing a Split-off is rude.
> Say: "I've started a new list; you guys are idiots; blah blah blah good-by!!"
> and that should be the last we here from you or your damn list.
>
> Our main thrust here is M but R and LTM and R threads have never been questioned.
> "Pander elsewhere!" i say.
> It really pisses me off when people refer to us as the LUG/LEG;
> as if we are two compatible mutually beneficial cohabiting lists.
> The LEG break off was not a positive thing for the LUG. How could it be...
> unless all the intolerant a##holes all quit us for them
> no such luck!!
>
> mark rabiner
> :)
> Department Of Redundancy Department


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