Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/05/15

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Subject: RE: [Leica] feuds - now Filioque
From: "Tim Atherton" <tim@KairosPhoto.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:32:55 -0600

Wow - I never thought I'd see a post about the filioque clause on the LUG...

way to go Brian - how about bringing us up to date on Arius vs.. Athanasius
next...  :)

Tim A


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Brian Reid
> Sent: May 15, 2001 8:49 AM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: [Leica] feuds
>
>
> Sometimes a disagreement takes on a life of its own.
>
> If you read the newspapers at all (I just look at the pictures, myself)
> you will have noticed that Pope John Paul II, head of the Roman
> Catholic Church, visited Greece, a stronghold of the Orthodox church,
> and was not exactly welcome.
>
> For about 1000 years there was, more or less, one church. In 1054 AD
> there was a big fight, and the Christian church broke into two major
> groups. The Pope's visit to Greece was the first visit since 1054 by
> the leader of one side to a stronghold of the other side.
>
> What was the fight about? Almost nothing, seen through the lens of
> history. The Roman church wanted the Nicene Creed to say "the Holy
> Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, proceeds from the Father and the
> Son", while the Eastern Church (centered in Constantinople) didn't like
> the words "and the Son" at the end. That phrase is called "the
> filioque" "feel e OH kay", and arguing about it has lasted a thousand
> years, a dozen crusades, sacking, burning, pillaging, and so forth.
>
> Was it worth it? Not for us to decide. Sometimes the feud is life
> itself, and when people stop feuding they no longer have any reason to
> exist.
>
> Find it in you to ignore people that you are convinced are wrong.
> Whether what they are wrong about is lens sharpness, or whether the
> Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son or just from the
> Father, it is not worth the combat.