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Subject: Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school OT Opinion
From: Andrew Schroter <schroter@optonline.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:18:53 -0800
References: <200111270850.AAA17568@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> <3C03B950.9966EF7E@ccs.carleton.ca> <006401c1777a$807744a0$dc53bc18@andrewsc> <3C03C55E.3000403@earthlink.net>

Well, I wouldn't go that far!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school OT Opinion


> Right...Maybe we can trade the wackjob liberals for a bunch of wackjob
> conservatives...;-)
>
>
> Andrew Schroter wrote:
>
> > Well, all those way out liberal P.C. Profs are going to be leaving?
Yeah!!!
> > I'm hoping against hope that the next generation will be a more balanced
> > lot.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Langer" <mlanger@ccs.carleton.ca>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school
> >
> >
> >
> >>>Guy,
> >>>
> >>I have to differ with you.  The Baby Boom generation that has occupied
> >>
> > most of the professoriate is now on the verge of retirement, and since
the
> > education cutbacks of the 80s and early 90s
> >
> >>stopped most faculty renewal in a period when the size of most
university
> >>
> > faculty bodies actually grew smaller, there is going to be a large
faculty
> > shortage.  The shortage of graduate students,
> >
> >>according to most studies that have been done, is largely due to the
> >>
> > dramatically increased costs of attending graduate school, plus the fact
> > that PhDs salaries in the university sector have not
> >
> >>kept pace with those offered by the private sector, where PhDs are in
far
> >>
> > greater demand than ever before.  This applies not only to areas like
> > engineering and computer science, but even to PhDs
> >
> >>in the humanities.  I have no idea where the professoriate of the future
> >>
> > is coming from, but if there aren't changes to the system that currently
> > exists, I worry about the future of higher
> >
> >>education in North America.
> >>
> >>Mark
> >>
> >>
> >>>------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:35:00 -0800
> >>>From: Guy Bennett <gbennett@lainet.com>
> >>>Subject: Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school.
> >>>Message-ID: <v04011705b8288e8a2af7@[66.81.51.16]>
> >>>References: <v04011703b828452046ad@[66.81.51.16]>
> >>>
> >>>>Another factor is that it is pretty hard, at least in my neck of the
> >>>>
> > woods,
> >
> >>>>not to bean a couple of humanities PhD graduates with any randomly
> >>>>
> > thrown
> >
> >>>>brick. No offence but they are rather thick on the ground. Surprised
> >>>>
> > there
> >
> >>>>has not been some sort of mandatory cull yet.[snip]
> >>>>John Collier
> >>>>
> >>>The same is true where I'm from and - I suspect - in the states in
> >>>
> > general
> >
> >>>and much of Europe as well.
> >>>
> >>>Gotta say that I don't think it will be necessary to discourage folks
> >>>
> > from
> >
> >>>pursuing advanced degrees in the humanities in the future. The PhD glut
> >>>
> > of
> >
> >>>the '80s and '90s coupled with a serious lack of full-time jobs for
> >>>
> > about
> >
> >>>ten years now (it's just cheaper to hire twice the number of
> >>>
> > part-timers)
> >
> >>>has probably done more to make young students think twice about
studying
> >>>something as frivolous as philosophy, art or literature than any amount
> >>>
> > of
> >
> >>>counseling I could imagine...
> >>>
> >>>Guy
> >>>
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In reply to: Message from Mark Langer <mlanger@ccs.carleton.ca> (Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school)
Message from Andrew Schroter <schroter@optonline.net> (Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school OT Opinion)
Message from "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> (Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school OT Opinion)