Re: [Leica] what we talk about when we talk about women

[Henry Ting <henryting10@yahoo.com>]

Your comments does not make sense ... I did not take
these pictures, and neither did you, so how in the
world would I loose sleep over it.
Plus how in the world did you know the model posed for
this picture is a professional and couldn't care less.


- --- Javier Perez <summarex@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Professional models pose for these shots with the
> full
> understanding that someone at some time will make a
> humourous or somehow unacceptable remark. They don't
> care. I suggest that you not loose sleep over it.
> I'm still trying to find out if this pic went
> through
> photoshop DE. Not that there would be anything wrong
> with that since it's still part of a creative
> process
> now moving rapidly in the PS direction.
> Javier
> 
> --- Henry Ting <henryting10@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > That is certainly a beautiful photograph. However,
> > inappropriate some of the comments here deem the
> > "technical and artistic" aspects of it as 
> > "titi-erotical" is doing you and the model a
> > disfavor.
> > While the picture is very nicely done, but posting
> > it
> > on a global forum inevitably will draw the
> comments
> > that follow. While the person behind the camera
> > should
> > be justifiably proud of the creation of such a
> > picture, the model might feel otherwise as a
> result
> > of
> > the feedback comments. You did warn the model
> > beforehand, or at least got a consentment before
> > posting her picture ..... right ?
> > 
> > --- kyle cassidy <kcassidy@asc.upenn.edu> wrote:
> > > >Well said Photo Phreak ... on a subject that is
> > > >"taboo"... to a point that a woman's beauty, is
> > > >becoming politically incorrect to comment on.
> > > 
> > > there's nothing wrong with commenting on a woman
> > (or
> > > anyone's) physical
> > > attractiveness. it is the derisiveness of some
> of
> > > these comments which
> > > bothers me. when you say "wow, nice tits doll"
> you
> > > are not commenting on
> > > someone's beauty, you're deriding them.
> > > 
> > > while i'm certainly guilty of objectification of
> > my
> > > subjects -- and i don't
> > > think that's necessarily wrong -- i do respect
> > them.
> > > they're human beings,
> > > they're my friends, and they've trusted me. it's
> a
> > > betrayal of that trust if
> > > they then become the victims of oafish
> commentary.
> > > like the photographs or
> > > dislike them, but realize what risks models take
> > > when they put themselves in
> > > front of our cameras, especially when we ask
> them
> > to
> > > take off their clothes
> > > first; they're making themselves vulnerable
> > because
> > > they trust us to make
> > > something beautiful or meaningful -- as
> > > photographers and (hopefully)
> > > artists we are influencing how people around us
> > > think and how they behave.
> > > this is an awesome responsibility. i hope that i
> > do
> > > justice to my subjects
> > > when i represent them. there are enough girls
> out
> > > there every day getting
> > > run over by the modeling industry, who get
> talked
> > > into doing things they
> > > don't really want to do by unscrupulous people,
> i
> > > don't want to contribute
> > > to that.
> > > 
> > > and please remember, this mailing list isn't ted
> > and
> > > b.d. and me and marc
> > > and whoever sitting on your back porch drinking
> > beer
> > > at 1:00 in the morning
> > > at a hunting lodge in the remote wilderness of
> > > wyoming, it's a worldwide
> > > forum with thousands of people listening and a
> > > searchable archive. whatever
> > > you think you may be saying to just a few other
> > > people is going into the
> > > mailboxes of many.
> > > 
> > > i may not be serious about much, but i'm serious
> > > about how photographers
> > > treat their models. and if i've taken someone
> who
> > > trusted me with the image
> > > of their own self worth and opened them up to
> > > mockery, i've failed in that
> > > contract and i need to go back to photographing
> > > bugs.
> > > 
> > > i would suggest that when commenting on
> someone's
> > > physical appearance, even
> > > when you think you are complementing them, (and
> by
> > > this i mean the royal
> > > "you," meaning "all of us") imagine someone else
> > is
> > > saying it about your
> > > wife or daughter before you commit it to the
> > public
> > > record. because that's
> > > who we're talking about -- we're talking about
> the
> > > way that we, as artists,
> > > are conditioning the world to look at all women.
> > > 
> > > i happen to think that's a beautiful shot -- and
> > > were i to see colleen, i'd
> > > say "hey, you look great."
> > > 
> > > just my .02
> > > 
> > > kc
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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