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Subject: Re: [Leica] airport security kinda long. ;-)
From: "Rei Shinozuka" <shino@panix.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:23:27 -0400 (EDT)

i think that's the fourth amendment.

  Amendment IV
 
  The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
  and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
  violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
  supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the
  place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. 

i think i heard a rumor that the second amendment was
repealed by the previous administration. :-)

- -rei

> From: "Roland Smith" <roland@dnai.com>
> 
> YEA!  They were probably able to win because a judge was realistic enough to
> see that the search was carried to far.
> 
> The Second Amendment of the Constitution protects us from unreasonable
> searches and seizures under both criminal and civil law.   The justification
> for airport security search must be based on some type of contractual
> implied consent when we use the airport.   If we retreat from the use, the
> search should not be justified in continuing. I hope this is adjudicated.
> 
> One of my political science professors was quick to say that issues of
> health and safety are most often used to rationalize the promulgation of
> restrictions on our freedom.
> 
> Roland Smith
> Oakland, California
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James A. Gatlin" <jagatlin@attbi.com>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] airport security kinda long. ;-)
> 
> 
> > Hate to disagree with you Seth.......
> > But I personally know of 4 different people who did this very
> > thing.......and won!
> >
> > They refused the random strip search... and was denied access to their
> > flight... quite naturally. And as someone pointed, the security people
> could
> > not have cared less.
> >
> > Next they went to the airline tincket counter, and asked for a refund. No
> > deal. The counter people could not have cared less.
> >
> > Next they sent a letter to the ariline office demanding a refund, (of
> course
> > detailing why), and again, no deal.
> >
> > Final step.... Small Claims court..... which does not require lawyers....
> > told their story to the judge, BAM.. they won judgment for the cost of the
> > ticket, plus the minimal costs of the court fees.
> >
> > Now granted, the airlines and the security people still don't give a
> crap...
> > but at least these people got their money back, and now, even they don't
> > give a crap anymore.
> >
> > You can at times fight back... and win.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <SthRosner@aol.com>
> >
> > > > I will ask for, then
> > > >  demand, then sue if necessary for a refund.
> > >
> > > And you will spend a lot of money for a lawyer and you will lose.
> > >
> > > Seth
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Rei Shinozuka shino@panix.com
Ridgewood, New Jersey

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