Re: [Leica] Dumb camera thieves

["animal" <s.jessurun95@chello.nl>]

I find it quite narrow minded in this day and age to even speak in terms of
most powerfull and succesfull.
Most rich industrialised countries are co dependant.
People who think that the US could go it alone for a significant amount of
time are hard to find in real political circles.
Arguments more suited for speaker,s corner i believe.
simon
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Appleby" <rob@robertappleby.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Dumb camera thieves


> Responsibilities, yes - but privileges? Tell me more.
>
> Isn't the point, Allan, that the biggest and most powerful should be no
less
> accountable than anyone else? It's a bit funny to have the US waging the
> farcical "war against terror" on the one hand, and refusing to support the
> actual implementation of human rights on the other.
>
> Obviously there is no innate desire for fairness (could we call that
> "justice and the rule of law"?) among the world's goverments - that
doesn't
> make the ideal (and attempts to actually achieve it) any less significant.
>
> R.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allan Wafkowski" <allanwafkowski@mac.com>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Dumb camera thieves
>
>
> > You're a bit in the clouds. You seem to believe there is an innate
> > desire for fairness in the world's governments. I don't believe you can
> > point to evidence from history to support your dreams.
> >
> > Yes, the United States is the most powerful and politically successful
> > country on the face of the earth. With that unique position comes unique
> > privileges and responsibilities. If this doesn't suit our foes, too bad.
> > If it doesn't suit our allies, they need to refrain from accepting all
> > special deals afforded them by the U.S. before they lodge their
> > complaint. Ronald Reagan was a champion of this kind of logic, and one
> > must admit that there is an absurdity to countries demanding this or
> > that from the United States while their paws are wide open behind their
> > backs.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, August 7, 2002, at 08:13 AM, Daniel Ridings wrote:
> > > I realize the court you were talking about, but you already got an
> > > answer to that. The US doesn't want to join, because it knows it would
> > > have a few things to answer. If you asked a felon, the felon wouldn't
> > > like to see federal courts either.
> > >
> > > It's not a very big trick for a big powerful country to set itself
> > > above the law be it for moral or for less flattering reasons. But I
> > > wouldn't use such considerations as something to be proud of, as you
> > > seemed to be when you realized that european countries were actually
> > > willing to play by the book or answer to the consequences ... which is
> > > all the international court is about. We wouldn't want the GI's in
> > > Okinawa raping teenage girls to have to go to court now, would we?
> > >
> >
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