Re: [Leica] Dumb camera thieves

["Rob Appleby" <rob@robertappleby.com>]

Good point - co-dependant, but also in competition.

Isn't _this_ speaker's corner? ;-)

R.
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From: "animal" <s.jessurun95@chello.nl>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Dumb camera thieves


> I find it quite narrow minded in this day and age to even speak in terms
of
> most powerfull and succesfull.
> Most rich industrialised countries are co dependant.
> People who think that the US could go it alone for a significant amount of
> time are hard to find in real political circles.
> Arguments more suited for speaker,s corner i believe.
> simon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Appleby" <rob@robertappleby.com>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Dumb camera thieves
>
>
> > Responsibilities, yes - but privileges? Tell me more.
> >
> > Isn't the point, Allan, that the biggest and most powerful should be no
> less
> > accountable than anyone else? It's a bit funny to have the US waging the
> > farcical "war against terror" on the one hand, and refusing to support
the
> > actual implementation of human rights on the other.
> >
> > Obviously there is no innate desire for fairness (could we call that
> > "justice and the rule of law"?) among the world's goverments - that
> doesn't
> > make the ideal (and attempts to actually achieve it) any less
significant.
> >
> > R.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Allan Wafkowski" <allanwafkowski@mac.com>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Dumb camera thieves
> >
> >
> > > You're a bit in the clouds. You seem to believe there is an innate
> > > desire for fairness in the world's governments. I don't believe you
can
> > > point to evidence from history to support your dreams.
> > >
> > > Yes, the United States is the most powerful and politically successful
> > > country on the face of the earth. With that unique position comes
unique
> > > privileges and responsibilities. If this doesn't suit our foes, too
bad.
> > > If it doesn't suit our allies, they need to refrain from accepting all
> > > special deals afforded them by the U.S. before they lodge their
> > > complaint. Ronald Reagan was a champion of this kind of logic, and one
> > > must admit that there is an absurdity to countries demanding this or
> > > that from the United States while their paws are wide open behind
their
> > > backs.
> > >
> > > Allan
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, August 7, 2002, at 08:13 AM, Daniel Ridings wrote:
> > > > I realize the court you were talking about, but you already got an
> > > > answer to that. The US doesn't want to join, because it knows it
would
> > > > have a few things to answer. If you asked a felon, the felon
wouldn't
> > > > like to see federal courts either.
> > > >
> > > > It's not a very big trick for a big powerful country to set itself
> > > > above the law be it for moral or for less flattering reasons. But I
> > > > wouldn't use such considerations as something to be proud of, as you
> > > > seemed to be when you realized that european countries were actually
> > > > willing to play by the book or answer to the consequences ... which
is
> > > > all the international court is about. We wouldn't want the GI's in
> > > > Okinawa raping teenage girls to have to go to court now, would we?
> > > >
> > >
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