Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/11/15

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Last weekends Wedding - 100% Leica
From: Randy Jensen <randy@jamzcheer.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:10:02 -0800

I've actually decided to change the way I shoot somewhat since the last
wedding I did.  I did it "cheaper" than normal so I used almost all 35mm
with my R4s and only used my Bronica for the formal shots (about 30 total).
First off, I REALLY like how the Bronica looks.  I love the narrow depth of
field of their 150 3.5.  BUT, at this last wedding, it was so much more fun
to shoot most of it with the Leica.  The problem was I couldn't shoot the
b/w like I enjoy.

What I've done is bought another body (an R4) off ebay that I'm waiting for.
Now I'm going to load one with b/w, one with color, and still use the
Bronica for selected shots.  I think I will enjoy doing a wedding much more
this way.

The other thing that solidified this is the recent enlargement a client got
from me.  I did "family pictures" of them recently with the ETRS.  While
they were getting ready I used my R4s with 135 Elmarit and shot a few of
thier kid walking around.  One of those shots was their favorite, and they
ordered a 16x20 of it.  It blew me away when I got it back.  It also made me
realize how far digital has to go to get anywhere near that quality!
(sorry, off topic!).

My point is, the Leica shots I take are more fun (less cumbersome and I
really like the "vibe" of using the Leica), and the shots are amazing.

WAY OFF TOPIC:  I have used Hasselblad in the past but I don't shoot well
with a square format.  It's too much for me to think about (the cropping
later).  I always shoot what I see in the viewfinder, and I didn't like
rectangular shots I've taken with 6x6.  That's why the Bronica ETRS.  My
images look better when I see what I get.  I didn't even realize this until
I did it, and my wife commented about how much better a wedding looked with
the Bronica than with the Hasselblad.  Just interesting, I think.  I wonder
if anyone else has this experience?  Also, I chose the Bronica because no
one else makes a 6x4.5mm camera with leaf shutter lenses and removeable
backs that I know of.

Again, sorry for so off topic!  But I would enjoy reading something similar
to this from other wedding photographers!

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Rob Heyman
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:36 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Last weekends Wedding - 100% Leica



Randy, what is the largest image that you sell from any wedding? If it is
20x16
or smaller, then you really do not need the MF for the majority of your
work.
You could save yourself a packet of money by using 35mm. If you feel
insecure
you could use it for the few shots that you KNOW they always order for the
enlargements. I used to play safe and carry the Hasselblad with me but now I
just walk out of the house with a bag containing my Leica, three lenses and
about ten rolls of film. Usually use six or seven. The spare gear is now an
EOS
and an old Nikon FE2 that I leave in the car in case the Leica packs it in.
So
far, so good.

Regards

Rob

Randy Jensen wrote:

> I would really like to have a discussion with other wedding photographers
on
> this list, but I don't want to bog down the LUG with wedding-related
stuff.
>
> I shoot with a Bronica ETRS, usually about 250 images at a typical
wedding,
> and about 100 black and white shots with a Leica R4 and R4s (plus various
> Infrared, etc).  Just curious what others are doing.
>
> Again, I don't want the LUG to become any kind of wedding discussion,
unless
> others think it's applicable.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Rob Heyman
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:38 AM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Last weekends Wedding - 100% Leica
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> "the costs are so prohibitive and the public so
> retiscent to pay high fees for this sort of coverage."
>
> My understanding of Gerry's statement was that it costs more to photograph
a
> wedding my way than his way.  It seems to me that ANYONE can offer my sort
> of
> coverage. I use 6-8 rolls of 35mm and sell from proofs. That part is
pretty
> much
> the same cost all over the world.  Gerry can then offer the album and
prints
> for
> any price he wants. I would like to know how Gerry photographs a wedding
and
> how
> the costs would become prohibitive for him.
>
> As far as pricing the album, you are absolutely correct. We should price
our
> work to whatever the market can stand. The market will set your price.
>
> Rob
>
> Ted Grant wrote:
>
> > Rob Heyman sked:
> >
> > > "As for the market, and here I assume you mean the costs, how does
> > > it cost more for to cover a wedding without any extra lights,
> assistants,
> > 120
> > > cameras AND WITH just a kit of Leica over your shoulder?"<<<
> >
> > Hi Rob,
> > It has nothing to do with the cost factor of reality in any case..
> >
> > It has everything to do with the balls to state your price of $20 K and
> make
> > it sound you are asking $200.! :-) And right there is the secret of
making
> > the big money! State the price, don't blink, snicker or anything but
stand
> > there and calmly wait for the answer, because they will say one of three
> > things...
> >
> > OK that's fine, what is the drill for the wedding day? :-)
> > Seems a bit high but for that money you must be damn good! You get the
> job.
> > :-)
> > Drop dead you must be crazy! :-(
> >
> > It's having the mastery of the marketing technique which damn few
> > photographers have, because we really want to take pictures and rarely
> time
> > to develop the selling technique. Then there are the guys who have all
the
> > marbles in the bag and sell themselves like magic. And in this case they
> > always get their bride!
> >
> > ted.... whose never had the balls to try it! ;-)
> >
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> CHAPEL HILL   Qld   4069
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