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Subject: Re: [Leica] Constructive Criticism
From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 19:01:27 -0800
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Ted

Y'know, I really don't know to whom Sonny's comments were addressed.

Jerry

Ted Grant wrote:

> Sonny Carter admitted:
>
> >>> You have, on a rare occassion, pissed me off with your comments, but I
> do
> > know that they were delivered in a hope of helping me, and I took them as
> > such.<<<,
>
> And that's Sonny's way as a pro re-acting and accepting the comments of
> another pro. Man if it weren't for the photo pro brethern and sistern I'd be
> a poor example of a photographer if I sloughed off their criticism and just
> dismissed it.
>
> Even today after all these years, I live in fear of what fellow pros will
> say when I show new material... ( certainly that which I think is really
> cool,) :-)   It's what their comments will be, as they can be very
> intimidating, particularly when they start, "Well I think, uuummmmm.  " And
> your heart goes thumpity thump waitng for the brick to fall! Scary as all
> get out! :-(
>
> Then a comment is made and you think, "Son of a gun why didn't I see that
> when I was cropping or printing?" And your open response is, "Hey thank you,
> as I didn't see that or think of it in that manner."  And they make you look
> like a better photographer. And that is what critique is all about, whether
> some of you believe that or not. Even when you get reemed out or your ass
> kicked! It's meant for your own benefit. :-)
>
> Photography is a never ending learning process no matter who one is or years
> of experience. So if you're into photography with your heart and soul, get
> ready to always have someone point out an improvement no matter how simple
> it maybe..... as they do it to make you a better photographer.
>
> >>> Then you have the guy who simply comments, "That's the worst picture
> I've
> > ever seen."  Truth is, we get lots of good shots here, and no one comments
> > either way, certainly not with candor and knowledge of the craft.<<<<<
>
> I know we've heard that before, "no comment." And that leaves the
> photographer wondering... "is my picture that good they don't need to
> comment?"  Or... "my picture is so bad no one wants to hurt my feelings?"
> And this is a tough call for me, hell I'm not afraid to kick ass nor give
> pats on the back. But in reality one has real world work to do and even
> though I look at many pictures, they get a glance and click. Only because I
> don't have time to either look at them all and I certainly don't have the
> time to comment good, bad or ugly.
>
> And in the case of Sandy and myself being on the road for the better part of
> Jan-Feb-Mar.shooting, there isn't hope I'll ever see all the posts, let
> alone make comment on pictures.
>
> >>>> I don't have the miles on the odometer you do, but after 40 years with
> a
> > camera I'm considered an old guy myself by the likes of John Strauss, but
> > hey, even KyleCassidy is getting to be an old fart, he admitted that to me
> > today!<<<<<
>
> Cassidy is getting to be an old fart? ;-) Damn with all those sexy chicks
> around him all the time, he'd better get over that feeling very quickly or
> he's in deep trouble. ;-) An "old fart indeed!" Like holy blue blazes not
> for another 40 years at least! :-)
> ted
>
> Ted Grant Photography Limited
> www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant
>
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Replies: Reply from "\(SonC\) Sonny Carter" <sonc@sonc.com> (Re: [Leica] Constructive Criticism)
In reply to: Message from Ted Grant <tedgrant@shaw.ca> (Re: [Leica] Constructive Criticism)
Message from "\(SonC\) Sonny Carter" <sonc@sonc.com> (Re: [Leica] Constructive Criticism)
Message from Ted Grant <tedgrant@shaw.ca> (Re: [Leica] Constructive Criticism)