Re: [Leica] FS: Special Anti-War Protest edition Leica M7

["SonC \(Sonny Carter\)" <sonc@sonc.com>]

Police departments might want to show they had kept the peace among
the peace demonstrators by enhancing the count to make it look like
they were doing their job.

Nah, that would be unethical.

Sonny



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From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Leica] FS: Special Anti-War Protest edition Leica M7


> First, my appologies.
>
> Second - There are several possible explanations for the media in
some
> cities siting smaller numbers than the police - first, caution
> (timidity) on the part of the media, fearing that if they err on the
> side of siting too large a number, they will lose credibility with
the
> "establishment;" second, different counting methods; third, counts
done
> at different times; third, counts done in different places. I
seriously
> doubt that the NYPD is "siding" with the demonstrators and inflating
the
> counts - remember how traumatized that department was by 9/11 and
the
> losses it suffered both in terms of its own, and in terms of firemen
> friends of cops - I would expect the average NYPDer - for very
> understandable reasons - to view the demonstrators as "tools" of the
> 9/11 terrorists and to deflate, rather than inflate, the numbers.
>
> B. D.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of
Henning
> Wulff
> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:24 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: RE: [Leica] FS: Special Anti-War Protest edition Leica M7
>
>
> At 3:21 PM -0500 2/16/03, bdcolen wrote:
> >Oh pulllleeeze, Henning - Any of us are capable of looking at the
t.v.
> >coverage of the demonstrations this past weekend and telling that
> >however one wants to argue about head counts, there was an
astounding
> >number of people, in New York, London, Paris, Berlin, Rome, etc.
etc.,
> >who came out to protest.
> >
> >"1000 weirdo people who don't count" - dream on.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> >[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of
Henning
> >Wulff
> >Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 7:12 PM
> >To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> >Subject: RE: [Leica] FS: Special Anti-War Protest edition Leica M7
> >
> >
> >At 5:59 PM -0500 2/14/03, Austin Franklin wrote:
> >>   > Well, the last one was estimated by SF Police (not
organisers) at
> >>>   100,000 to 150,000 and with the growing shift in public
feeling
> >>> about  potential war, I would guess rather more than that this.
> >>>
> >>>   How big does it have to be before it's classed as
"massive"...?
> >>
> >>I don't know, but when they count the number, are they going to
use
> >>"statistical" (snicker, cough, choke...) methods, and "really"
count
> >>only a very dense area, and then apply this density for some
overall
> >>(inflated) area...and play with the numbers so that 10,000,
including
> >>normal traffic and tourists etc. somehow turns into "100,000 ANGRY
> >>protestors"?
> >
> >No, of course not. They're going to look at a large field, in which
> >there are only 10 or 20 protesters and apply _that_ density for the
> >overall area and arrive at a conclusion that 100,000 angry
protesters
> >are really only 1000 weirdo people who don't matter anyway.
> >
> >--
>
> B.D., I think you're not clear on my point. My post was merely a
> rejoinder to Austin's assumptions of counting numbers. Some little
> bit of sarcasm was supposed to be apparent in my posting.
>
> BTW, I took part in Vancouver's protest march yesterday, for which
> there was also a larger turnout than officials had expected. It was
> fairly dark and drizzly, so photo-ops weren't always the best.
>
> I also noticed that some American papers were reporting numbers
> different than police estimates from those areas, never mind the
> estimates from other sources. The Times reported 200,000 people in
> Berlin, whereas the police estimate was 500,000. Simlar
discrepancies
> were evident with respect to other protest numbers.
>
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