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Subject: Re: [Leica] Erwin Put's Essay on the MP
From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:50:08 -0800
References: <NABBLIJOIFAICKBIEPJJEENAEJAB.darkroom@ix.netcom.com>

Austin

I only referred to the "loss of intellectual property" which is
a legal, not ethical or financial term.  We gotta get a lawyer
to help us.  What say you, Marc Small?

I do assert that the article was a most egregious example of
ass-kissing to Leica, but if I were getting free Leicas to use,
I would probably do the same.  Probably?  I WOULD do
the same.

Austin, you would too!  Let's be honest about this.

Jerry

Austin Franklin wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> I believe monetary benefit is one of the things that is crucial to any
> action for copyright violations.  It doesn't mean whether there was or
> wasn't, but it's really hard to fuss about someone causing you "harm" if you
> can't substantiate any monetary damage.  Harm because you don't like it, and
> it upsets you, or it may get you in trouble with Leica doesn't usually
> count.  Malice may, but I doubt this was posted with malice.
>
> Austin
>
> > Austin
> >
> > I really don't give a damn if Putz made or lost any money on his
> > worshipful article, but the term "intellectual property" has nothing
> > to do with money. Does it?
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> > Austin Franklin wrote:
> >
> > > NOR did anyone else make any from it!
> > >
> > > Austin
> > >
> > > > Erwin was not deprived of income by that posting.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Steven Alexander <alexpix@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > > > > on 3/3/03 9:52 AM, Dennis Painter at
> > > > > dennis@hale-pohaku.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > To me the posting of a copyrighted, private email
> > > > > was a question of ethics,
> > > > > > not whether someone was "bad".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Fascinating" seeing your posts on this as
> > > > > compared to your posts when you
> > > > > > see another ethical question that you call
> > > > > "conflict of interest". It would
> > > > > > seem our ethical beliefs differ but that is
> > > > > understandable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As to Erwin Puts' writing as it is now posted on
> > > > > his website his assessment
> > > > > > can be discussed if you chose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dennis
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I make a large portion my income from the licensing
> > > > > copyrighted photography
> > > > > through photo stock agencies. The internet seems to
> > > > > have different moral,
> > > > > ethical or legal standards with regard to
> > > > > copyrighted material be it photos,
> > > > > printed material or software.  I am always reluctant
> > > > > to post photo here or
> > > > > other places on the net because of the disregard for
> > > > > this basic legal
> > > > > protection.
> > > > > Mr. Puts can say anything he wishes concerning this
> > > > > NEW M camera; but the
> > > > > unauthorized use of his material is flat out wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Go out and buy a MP and lock it in some safe place
> > > > > to worship it or go out
> > > > > and use your now outmoded M3-7 and make pictures but
> > > > > please do not steal
> > > > > someone else's work and post it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rant of the week...just returned from Florida to
> > > > > Boston's teen temperatures
> > > > > and am not real happy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Happy snaps,
> > > > > Steven Alexander
>
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In reply to: Message from "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@ix.netcom.com> (RE: [Leica] Erwin Put's Essay on the MP)