Re: [Leica] Autofocus Leica R

["Barney Quinn" <Barney.Quinn@noaa.gov>]

Hi,

Let's keep something in mind here. It may be BD's point in different words.
Beethoven was a trained musicina, world class composer and pianist BEFORE he
lost his hearing. The ninth symphony is based on a choral fantasy he wrote
which is also something like a sixth piano concerto. If my memory serves me
correctly this was written when he still had some hearing. The point is that
he didn't do it from a cold start. He knew what a violin sounded like, and
so forth. He carried that forward into his deafness. As tragic as his loss
of hearing is, and as much of a genius as he was, and I don't mean to
detract from either, he already knew how to compose music before he went
deaf. He had a solid foundation. It would be an entirely different matter if
he had been deaf from birth and somehow managed to come up with the nineth
symphony.

Barney

bdcolen wrote:

> Big difference. If one is deaf, and then loses ones hearing - especially
> is one is a Beethoven, one has "music in the head," one can imagine
> music, variations on it, and transcribe that music. Granted, beng able
> to do that as Beethoven could required genius, but that's another
> matter.
>
> But if one is blind, without any sight, one cannot see to photograph;
> one cannot make judgments about the objects being photographed and
> cannot compose the photographs; one cannot see the finished photos and
> compare them to other photos, or to the object one photographed.
>
> I stand by my original post - IF we are talking about persons with NO
> sight.
>
> B. D.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of animal
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:10 AM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Autofocus Leica R
>
> Beethoven was deaf in his final years
> simon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:57 AM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Autofocus Leica R
>
> > Okay, I can't help myself...I am going to be totally politically
> > incorrect and ROFLOL! (And, yes, I've seen the book of photographs by
> > blind "photographers."
> >
> > I know: I'm cruel. I have no imagination, blah, blah, blah, blah. Get
> > a grip, folks! Alternatively sighted people are BLIND. They CAN NOT
> > SEE. Photography is a VISUAL medium. It requires VISION.
> >
> > I don't care if a blind person can point an autofocus camera at a
> > subject he or she hears and "take a picture." An Ape can do the same
> > thing, and I am not going to take Ape photography seriously either.
> >
> > I know, I know, there are a bunch of Thai elephants that paint and a
> > bunch of nuts who pay allot of money for the paintings.
> >
> > I'll tell you something, when I lose the remainder of my hearing - I
> > now suffer from moderate hearing loss in one ear and a severe lost in
> > the other, and wear two hearing aids, I am NOT going to apply for a
> > job as a freaking MUSIC critic! ;-)
> >
> > B. D.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Kit
> > McChesney | acmefoto
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:37 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: RE: [Leica] Autofocus Leica R
> >
> >
> > Speaking of photographers with poor eyesight, or even more amazing,
> > photographers who are legally or functionally blind, Aperture just
> > published last year a gorgeous book on the subject of blind
> > photographers, titled appropriately, Shooting Blind. It is a moving
> > volume, and poses some interesting questions about how we see, and
> > what we see. There are many blind photographers ... Evgen Bavcar, Flo
> > Fox, Gerardo Nigenda, among others. Bavcar has some interesting things
>
> > to say about the differences between the visual, and the visible.
> >
> > "My task is the reunion of the visible and the invisible worlds;
> > photography allows me to pervert the established method of perception
> > amongst those who see and those who don't." ... and ...  "Each photo I
>
> > create must be perfectly ordered in my head before I shoot. I hold the
>
> > camera to my mouth in order to photograph those I speak to. Autofocus
> > helps me, but I can manage on my own: it is simple, my hands measure
> > the distance and the rest is achieved by the desire for images that
> > inhabits me."
> >
> > I suspect that even with their visual difference ("seeing" differently
>
> > from most of the rest of the world) that not all blind or visually
> > impaired photographers use autofocus ... focus is not necessarily the
> > requisite hallmark of a photographic image. Don't we use the unfocused
>
> > as a tool of expression? What about bokeh? (Thanks, Mark R!)
> >
> > Kit
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of John
> > Collier
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:27 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Autofocus Leica R
> >
> >
> > I used to agree with Doug but have since run across a few people who
> > have such poor eyesight they need auto focus. Mind you that is not
> > very many people for the plethora of AF cameras out there...
> >
> > No plans for AF here,
> >
> > John Collier
> >
> > On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 03:56 PM, Douglas Herr wrote:
> >
> > > lea <lea@whinydogpress.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'd be first in line to have one....
> > >
> > > The combination of an APO lens and an SL, SL2, R8 or R9 viewfinder
> > > makes focussing too easy to make AF worth discussing (IMHO).
> >
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