Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/03/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Has anyone seen the Australian film; " Proof" about a blind photographer. A good film starring amongst others, and before the international success, a very young Russell Crowe - but see it anyway :-) . The blind photographer ( Hugo Weaving) would take photographs of what people described to him .The photographs then were...proof that what people told him was really there. I found it quite a challenging film Simon Loftus - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kit McChesney | acmefoto" <kitmc@acmefoto.com> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: RE: [Leica] Autofocus Leica R > I can't believe you guys would actually deign to create this analogy, and > print it on a piece of virtual paper, for all human beings, regardless of > ability, to read, and not only that, but to be subjected to: > > "Otherwise there is no meaning and we might as well just hang cameras on > birds and cows and let them take photographs randomly and give each image > equal value to anything posted here." > > Good lord. Do you really think that the creative effort of a human being who > conceives and produces an image, regardless of his or her ability to > eventually perceive it, relative to someone whose vision is 20/20, is equal > to the putative creative effort of a bird or a cow? > > As for assigning things equal value to this or that posted here, I invite > you to take a look at some of the work created by some of these blind > photographers, and determine if indeed a cow or a bird could have created > such an image. > > Point being, no, a blind person cannot see the result of the image he > creates in the same way that you see it, but at the same time, if you base > the value of an image on the ability of the artist to see it as you see it, > or to see the "result" as well as you see it, then I think you are pretty > darn arrogant. > > I'm surprised at how many people who profess to be able to "see" are > actually quite blind to some of the most fundamental issues about what > constitutes creativity and creative work. Astounding! > > Kit > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Adam Bridge > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:50 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: RE: [Leica] Autofocus Leica R > > > On 3/12/03 Patrick Jelliffe wrote: > > > > >Art is SUBJECTIVE, Adam, and attempts to create > >absolutes to judge the artist, his/her creative > >process, or the finished work will fail. > > > >Patrick > > > > Well DUH. But what does your response mean? How does the work of someone who > cannot perceive the result, could NEVER perceive the result, cannot get > criticism, improve? Where is the self-expression in this process? I don't > think > there IS any. It's performance art because the act is the art and not the > result > produced. > > I'm just terminally politically-incorrect in this area with absolutely NO > apologies. Otherwise there is no meaning and we might as well just hang > cameras > on birds and cows and let them take photographs randomly and give each image > equal value to anything posted here. > > It IS subjective right? > > Adam > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html