Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/03/16

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Latest shot from a digital with a Leica lens
From: Javier Perez <summarex@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:11:39 -0800 (PST)

Well Austin
With that attitude we would still be flying propeller
airplanes.
Javier
- --- Austin Franklin <darkroom@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Javier,
> 
> > Actually
> > I have been looking into it for quite some time so
> > understanding isn't really an issue,
> 
> Well, with all due respect, "looking into this for
> quite some time" is FAR
> FAR FAR from knowing what the issues are with
> actually designing a digital
> camera, and the costs of the development effort,
> much less the production of
> such as well as the business issues involved.  If
> you've never designed one
> (or even done electronic product design), you would
> not understand the
> actual issues, and the significance of them.  I
> have, and have been for 25
> years, and I know exactly what the issues are with
> the electronics.  I'm not
> an optical expert, but those issues are easily
> established.
> 
> > It's unfortunate
> > that you have decided to take the discussion in
> that
> > direction.
> 
> In what direction?  I just call it like it is.  You
> made claims that just
> don't hold any water, and you don't like my
> rebuttal.  Pipe dreaming is one
> thing, but you did not label your comments as such,
> if you did, that would
> be a different story.
> 
> Your initial comment was that digital backs exist,
> and therefore a digital M
> should, and they are two different problems.  You
> then said "what's to
> accomplish...There's absolutely no reason not to
> have a db available for an
> M.", which shows lack of understanding of the entire
> process.  There ARE
> good reasons not to have a "digital back available
> for an M".
> 
> > It's more than doable.
> 
> No one ever argued it being doable.  Read what I
> wrote, and I quote:
> 
> "No one has said it couldn't be done, but as I've
> said, the development
> effort is significant, the functionality diminished,
> and the audience is
> small."
> 
> Those are ALL indisputably true.
> 
> > The shorter than 28 lenses can use the ccd for
> focus
> > confirm with the shutter on b. Yes, you would need
> to
> > wind up open the shutter and then wind up again
> and
> > shoot.
> 
> That's real practical (said sarcastically).  And,
> where would this focus
> confirmation be displayed?  In the viewfinder, or on
> the little LCD on the
> back?
> 
> > If you wish to use an lcd at focus time you can
> > you can. A focus only lcd can provide a much
> magnified
> > image of the central focusing zone.
> 
> Of course, but it is impractical and difficult to
> use.  I've been there and
> done that.
> 
> Time and money are best spent elsewhere than a
> digital M.  Now, if you
> wanted to design a body from scratch that TOOK M
> lenses, that's a different
> story, and, IMO, a FAR better idea.
> 
> I am not pooh-poohing you for your ideas, in fact, I
> appreciate and
> encourage them...but don't present the problem like
> it's "easy", because it
> isn't.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Austin
> 
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