Re: [Leica] Some may find this of interest

["Don R." <don.ro@verizon.net>]

Was the photographer using Leica equipment.

Don R.
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From: <Teresa299@aol.com>
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Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Some may find this of interest


>
> In a message dated 6/14/03 12:08:43 PM, bdcolen@earthlink.net writes:
>
> << Since you don't know what happened - other than the reported facts that
> a 19-year-old female died under suspicious circumstances in the studio
> of a 56-year-old male photographer, don't you suppose you might be a bit
> premature wailing about the patriot act and other unrelated crap.>>
>
> Wailing?   How come if someone disagrees, they're portrayed as wailing,
> whining, hysterical or the like?
>
> I'll try and clarify my point, and just you understand my emotional
stance,
> I'm typing rather calmly, and not hysterically....
>
> I offered the observation that because the man was older and was known for
> taking nude photos of younger women, that there is "hightened" scrutiny,
perhaps
> suspicion, opportunity for scandal for people in his classification.
Maybe
> you disagree with that observation, but not only do I photograph lots of
nudes,
> I know a number of photographers who shoot in a wide range of nude
> photography (from cheesecake, to "fine art," to fetish fashion, adult
content and the
> like.)  There's a different kind of scrutiny and reaction to this type of
work
> (and perhaps certain types of journalistic/political work) then if you
simply
> shoot flowers or happy photos of people sipping espresso.  Disagree with
the
> observation if you wish.
>
> <<Of course other young women, whose deaths we know nothing about, have
died
> in the last few days, but that's hardly an excuse for somehow
> rationalizing what happened to this young woman, whose death we have
> heard about.>>
>
> I ended my post with whatever the legal or casual reasons for this young
> woman's death, it was nevertheless a tragedy.  I'm finding it hard to see
how this
> is rationalizing.  My point about the hundreds of other young women who
have
> died in the span of the last few days is that you're not likely to read
about
> it in the press, because the circumstances of their equally as tragic
deaths
> are considered less scandalous because they weren't necessarily pretty,
and/or
> nude or glamour models.
>
> << Would you be expressing such outrage at the prurience of society, and
> vindictiveness of prosecutors who may or may not be up forre-election, and
would
> you be as quick to offer plausible 'innocent' alternative theories about
the
> case if rather than photographer Bob Shell, the 56-year-old man had been a
> Republican member of Congress? Some how I doubt that you would>>
>
> Well if you were a member of the LUGFORUM you'd understand that I'm not
too
> thrilled with sexually repressive democrats anymore than I am republicans.
I
> have the personal observation that repressed sexual energy often comes out
in
> the form of warfare or agression, but that's not the point I was making
here.
> What I thought I made relatively clear is that none of us really know the
> facts of the case.   Bob could be a big evil perv or he could be innocent
or
> somewhere in between.  In cases that involve sex, I don't particularly
trust the
> media in their reporting of alleged events, nor do I trust press releases
from
> prosecutors.   I tend to like to wait until some sort of independent fact
> finding (i.e. less emotional, hysterical ) information has emerged from
the haze of
> scandal.
>
>
> <<And Sally Mann, pornographer? I don't know about that, but I'll
> certainly buy 'Sally Mann, who advanced her career on the naked backs of
> her own children who were unable, as any young child is, to refuse to
> participate as subjects for their Mom.' ;-)
>
> B. D. >>
>
> Well, I guess the topic of adults taking (and publishing) photos of their
> children (nude or not) without their children's consent is a different
topic
> isn't it?
>
> I was simply referring to the fact that photos of naked children, even
your
> own are considered pornographic in some regions of the United States.
>
> I thought my original post was pretty clear and not too (at least for me)
> controversial.  But then again, the LUG can be a pretty cranky place when
veering
> from the staid topics of collector's edition M6's and Tilley hats. ; )
>
>
> -kim
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