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Subject: Re: [Leica] Opinions Please 135mm lens for M
From: "SML" <leirex@access4less.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:00:47 -0700
References: <000001c346ec$71624e40$6401a8c0@dorysrusp4>

Hello,

  I also have found that the lastest black Canon 135/3.5 is excellent
performer along with the 100/3.5, the 100/2 and some of the Nikkor
rangefinder lenses in the same leage.  I would not give up on them.

Regards,
David

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From: "Don Dory" <dorysrus@mindspring.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:06 AM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Opinions Please 135mm lens for M


David,
I think that unless you migrate to the 135 3.4APO you would be ill
served abandoning the 135 F3.5 Canon lenses you have.  It is a very
close clone to the Zeiss 135 F4 which is still considered a fine
performer.  Your Canon lens can be a fine performer especially by 5.6.
Obviously, with 50 year old lenses, your current sample may not be a
typical performer.  I see no reason to venture into the indifferent
quality control of Soviet lenses when 135 lenses from Canon or Nikon are
widely available for not much more.

What I found is that you should use at the minimum an 85X viewfinder
camera.  In other words, I find using an M3 with the 1.25 magnifier very
helpful when using my 135 Canon lens.

Don
dorysrus@mindspring.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of SML
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:00 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Opinions Please 135mm lens for M

Hello Marc,

  Are you sure of what you were saying about the 135/4 Elmar being
superior
to the 135/4 Tele-Elmar?  I do not remember any single one user comments
about the Elmar being superior to the Tele-Elmar.  I am wondering if you
meant the other way around.

Regards,
David

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From: "Marc James Small" <msmall@infionline.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Opinions Please 135mm lens for M


At 04:02 PM 7/14/02 -0600, Mike Stoesz wrote:
>Good day;
>
>I have recently been on a Leica buying/trading binge and have acquired
>2 Leica M-3's (a double-stroke and a single-stroke), and a Leica
>Standard.  I have been using my Canon LTM lenses on the M's so far,
>(50f1.8, 50f1.2, 85f1.9, 100f4 chrome, 100f3.5 black/chrome, 100f3.5
>black, and 135f3.5 chrome).
>
>I wish to acquire a Leica 135mm lens for use at coffeeshops, stage
>shows, dance productions.  Unfortunately the current 135f3.4 is out of
>my affordability range.  How do the 135f2.8 Elmarit and the 135f4
>Tele-Elmar compare for my intended use.  I am comfortable using Ilford
>Delta 3200 and Fuji Neopan 1600 as film choices and can use a monopod
>or shoulder brace if needed.
>
>What are the advantages/disadvantages of each of these lenses from
>personal experiences?

Neither would be the ideal choice.  The 4/135 Elmar should be your first
choice, as it is optically a magnificent lens.  If that is still beyond
your means, a Soviet/Post-Soviet 4/135 Jupiter-11 is quite close, albeit
this requires an adapter to work on an M camera.

I shot professionally for several years with a 2.8/135 and 4/135 Tele,
and
the results were okay.  But those from the 4/135 Elmar and Jupiter-11
were
clearly superior -- and, bluntly, the 2.4/135 APO-Telyt (!) is a
generation
beyond any of these.

Marc

msmall@infionline.net  FAX:  +540/343-7315
Cha robh bąs fir gun ghrąs fir!

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