Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/08/23

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Digilux?
From: "Sonny Carter" <sonc@sonc.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:54:03 -0700
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As I said, there is Porche and there is Porsche.



- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Lehrer" <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Digilux?


> Sonny
>
> NO!  That came from Porsche Design, an Austrian company run
> by some of the same "famiglia".  Has NOTHING to do with the
> Porsche factory in Germany.
>
> That would be like stating that you owned the company that made
> "Carters Little Liver Pills"  (or is that before your time?)
>
> Jerry
>
> Sonny Carter wrote:
>
> > heh, there is Porsche and then there is Porsche. My VPR Matrix Computer
> > monitor has "design by F.A. Porsche" inscribed on it; I'd doubt it came
off
> > a German assembly line.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jerry Lehrer" <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Digilux?
> >
> > > Sonny
> > >
> > > Sounds just like the arguments we had in the Porsche world about
> > > the "Porsche" 914, 924, and 944.  My position was/ is "If it wasn't
> > > made in the Porsche factory, it isn't a Porsche"  Do you have any
> > > problem with that?
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > Sonny Carter wrote:
> > >
> > > > Larry, there's a lot of that going on in the world today.  If you
buy a
> > > > Mazda truck, it will probably be built by Ford in Mexico with a
German
> > > > engine, and maybe a French Tranny.   If you buy an Isuzu pickup
truck,
> > rest
> > > > assured it was made by some us rednecks in Louisiana.
> > > >
> > > > Leica has been having  P&S cameras made by Japanese companies
(mostly
> > > > Panasonic)  for some years, and elements of the R cameras and some
> > lenses
> > > > were made in Japan by various manufacturers.
> > > >
> > > > I guess there's no answer your question of to what extent does Solms
> > have to
> > > > be involved to call it a Leica is purely hypothetical.  There are
some
> > who
> > > > say if it wasn't made in Wetzlar it is not a true Leica, but they
would
> > be
> > > > discounting lots of nice Canadian made equipment.
> > > >
> > > > If we follow your line, some Noctiluxes were made by General Motors,
> > because
> > > > for a while they were the owners of the Midland plant where the
> > light-sucker
> > > > was made.
> > > >
> > > > 'tis a hard question with probably no answer, but I do consider my
Lika
> > > > Leica, Leica quality
> > > >
> > > > Sonny
> > > > (who lived in Wetzlar, visited Solms, but has no actual Leica-made
parts
> > in
> > > > his construction.)
> > > > http://www.sonc.com
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <LRZeitlin@aol.com>
> > > > To: <leica-users-digest@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:01 AM
> > > > Subject: [Leica] Digilux?
> > > >
> > > > > Question:
> > > > >
> > > > > I know of at least four different cameras, made by two
manufacturers,
> > > > bearing
> > > > > the name Leica Digilux. One series, the Fuji made Digiluxes, were
> > simply
> > > > the
> > > > > cosmetically altered Fuji Finepix 1700, 1700 Zoom, and 4800
cameras.
> > The
> > > > other
> > > > > is the Panasonic DC5 variation. With the Fuji cameras, Leica
didn't
> > even
> > > > > claim responsibility for the lens. All they contributed was an
> > expensive
> > > > brochure
> > > > > and the red Leica dot. Even the manual was printed in Japan. Leica
> > claims
> > > > to
> > > > > have a hand in designing the Panasonic version but their touch
seems
> > very
> > > > light
> > > > > indeed.
> > > > >
> > > > > How much of an influence does Leica have to have in the design of
a
> > camera
> > > > to
> > > > > be truly regarded as a Leica? Does it make the lens? Does it make
the
> > > > body?
> > > > > Does it simply lease the rights to the name? If the red dot falls
off
> > my
> > > > (Fuji)
> > > > > Leica Digilux Zoom, is it still a Leica?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a question worthy of Philosophy 101. You know, like the
famous
> > > > broken
> > > > > knife problem. If a knife blade breaks and you replace the blade,
then
> > the
> > > > > handle breaks and you replace the handle, is it the same knife?
> > > > >
> > > > > Larry Z
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