Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/09/18

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Digital back for leica, project website
From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:22:08 -0700
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Greg

I'm sure that you did a great job.  Everyone that COULD see it,
was very pleased with it.

Jerry

Grégoire Vandenschrick wrote:

> I KNOW ther is that darn problem of very steep incident light in the
> corners, because lenses are soo much closer to the film, and because the
> sensors are 3D things (in the opposite, film is really 2-D flat??). It seems
> the real problem with the incidence of light is a real and major problem
> with the CCD type sensor, for in order to have a rather high fill factory,
> every photosite has to be covered by a converging microlens. And as a
> consequence of a very small sensitive zone in the photosite, once the light
> comes with a good angle, finished, the light falls out of the sensitive
> photosite zone. OK, I know that. and the situation will not change easily in
> the field of CCD, because the technology has now about 25 years of life.
> BUT, the CMOS technology is younger, and in full devellopment currently. Two
> or three years ago, all the pro digital body were equipped with CCD, now,
> the biggest sensors (full frame, 24x36) are CMOS, and they have no more the
> cheap quality that was the reason they were not used for the upmarket. Now
> the Upmarket is CMOS, because they are less expensive to produce, of the
> same quality of the equivalent CCD, and because they are incident light more
> tolerant!!! Have a look at the Canon EOS 1Ds (CMOS 11 Megapixels), the Kodak
> DCS PRO 14n (CMOS 14 Megapixels) and so on.
>
> I think that Now Leica is working very hard on the digital back module for
> R8/9, and they have no time to think about it, even if I had a polite answer
> of one of their engineer that reassured me Leica was thinking about that for
> a long time, and that they were looking at the new tech etc but not
> realisable now. Ok, is it real, or does Leica have not in plan to do that
> now, or not the capability, or team ressources, or Hermes doesn't find that
> such a product, with its very high develloping cost, will not represent
> enough income for the investment.
>
> So, I just wanted to look by myself, that's all, and doing it, I was quite
> excited, this seems possible, if only CMOS sensor society were not so
> reluctant to divulgate the characteristics of their product, one could know
> exactly if ther is the possibility to adapt a full frame CMOS to the Leica-M
>
> Best
>
> Grégoire
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Collier" <jbcollier@shaw.ca>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Digital back for leica, project website
>
> > Do you think it is technically realistic? Leica doesn't think so and
> > neither do the half dozen or so experts we have on the LUG. I suppose a
> > half frame sized sensor might work but that would make a mess of using
> > the viewfinder.
> >
> > John Collier
> >
> > On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 02:03 PM, Grégoire Vandenschrick
> > wrote:
> >
> > > frankly, my goal was to see by myself if this project could be
> > > technically realistic first
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In reply to: Message from John Collier <jbcollier@shaw.ca> (Re: [Leica] Digital back for leica, project website)
Message from Grégoire Vandenschrick <gregoire.vds@skynet.be> (Re: [Leica] Digital back for leica, project website)