Re: [Leica] XXX of the YYY? WAS (something else)

[sam <sam@osheaven.net>]

The LUG offerings on Bush, politics, war, and Iraq make me eternally 
grateful that we have an electorial college in the United States. The 
masses seem to know so little and talk so much. The Founding Fathers 
were wise men.

Sam S



Kit McChesney wrote:
> Sorry, I meant "the sand." 
> 
> Ted--
> 
> Thank you, friend. Thank you very much. If anyone is offended by your
> heartfelt and honest view, then I suggest that person pull his or her head
> out of ... sand. 
> 
> Kit
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Ted Grant
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:08 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] XXX of the YYY? WAS (something else) (fwd)
> 
> THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH LEICA CAMERAS.
> 
> First of all lets make some things clear before you read on. I'm a retired
> Armoured Corp officer, a father of 4, a grandfather of 10. I've been
> involved in two wars and a few "skirmishes!" I've been involved at the
> highest levels "politics" behind the scenes for over 30 years, so what I'm
> about to type comes from the heart, experience and travesties of war and
> these days, the absolute stupidity of it and politics.
> 
> I do not intend on insulting anyone and in particular my many American
> friends. And I sincerely trust I don't.
> ==============
> 
> Eric Welch offered:
> 
>>Most of us wish there were no coffins I suppose, though if there has to
>>be, let's at least let people know what the price of our actions are.
>>Let's not sweep it under the rug for so mundane a purpose of making it
>>easier to be re-elected. That kind of electioneering strikes me as so
>>incredibly selfish.<<<<
> 
> 
> Hi Eric,
> Man your comment grabbed me and even though it's your country and your
> President I
> just have to make a comment regarding the "hiding of the young men being
> killed in Iraq on their return home!"
> 
> 
>>That kind of electioneering strikes me as so incredibly selfish.<<<<
> 
> 
> Incredibly selfish???
> 
> It's damn well down right heinous, deceitful, despicable and the s.o.b. who
> came up with covering "his ass" to keep their jobs on the next election go
> around and to keep him high in the polls should be hung up by the feet and
> castrated slowly!!!
> 
> If nothing else this kind of thoughtless inhuman, uncaring and disrespectful
> action just to get this "chap" (sorry I can't write what I truly want to
> say) re -elected, is absolutely beyond the ethics of any politician! Let
> alone any human being. Be great to hear from the parents, wives and children
> who've had the remains brought home instead of the vertical standing human
> being. Particularly when hiding the bodies is for nothing else to get him
> re-elected and stay high in the polls..
> 
> If nothing else it points up the utter hypocrisy this chap and his cronies
> have for the young men and women serving in a far off land. They are getting
> killed daily for just being there. Oh I know someone will come up with a
> hundred reasons why they should be there. If you do, then you go and send
> some young guy home to live another day.  Think about that as a fair
> exchange.
> 
> And if there is anyone out there who can in their heart and with the
> simplest of common sense, justify these deaths and the hiding of the remains
> as each is returned to his or her homeland and their bodies hidden just so
> this "chap" can be re-elected. Then for heaven sake please, please make me
> feel better that it's OK and you also accept it as an OK thing. So this chap
> can get re-elected.
> 
> Then tell me it's the American way of treating fellow countrymen serving
> overseas, getting killed and not being properly respected when brought off
> the plane arriving home.
> 
> Sure sure I know all the stories about bad for moral etc, but in these times
> that doesn't wash cause the hiding of bodies off the planes is purely for
> "political reasons" and absolutely nothing else!
> 
> I apologize to my southern cousins, because without question I make the
> greatest effort to stay out of commenting on your country and it's
> leadership. But in this case of such a disrespectful manner towards young
> boys
> being killed and then being denied the right for their fellow Americans to
> see how many have made the ultimate sacrifice when arriving home, I just had
> to
> cry out for some kind of explanation.
> 
> Certainly the hiding of these bodies is for nothing more than getting this
> chap's ass covered so he can be re-elected. Shame, shame on him! And the
> people allowing him to get away with it. ted
> 
> 
> 
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