RE: [Leica] XXX of the YYY? WAS (something else) (fwd)

["B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>]

It's funny the little things we don't pay attention to at the time - I
was particularly struck by the fact that Jack Ruby took his two dogs, to
whom he was apparently quite devoted, in the car with him on his rounds
the day he shot Oswald - which certainly argues that his shooting Oswald
was a spur-of-the-moment flash of psychotemper, rather than something
planned.

B. D.

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B.D.--

I watched the Frontline special on the same subject, and it also made a
case for the lone gunman, but with the possibility of plenty of
conspiracies. Very well done.

Kit

B. D. Colen wrote:

"Didn't watch Noam Chomsky - But DID watch the ABC News special on the
JFK assassination, and I have to say - as a believer in one of the
multiple shooters conspiracy theories - that it built an incredibly
convincing case for Oswald as lone gunman. Really amazing."

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As-bo-lute-ly. So the difference between the two types of propaganda is
in their underlying motives and messages. The work of Evans and Lange we
appreciate, because at some basic level, it strikes us as benevolent,
because it helped move a country towards doing something about poverty.
The other instance we find abhorrent, because it glorifies a president
who apparently fabricated a scheme to move the country towards a war it
now has to reconsider. 

By the way, did anyone watch Noam Chomsky on Charlie Rose last night? It
was a good interview, and would have been great, had Charlie not
insisted on putting his ego in the way! (I've already written to him to
complain!)

Kit

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B. D. Colen responded to Eric:

"Easy, big guy..:-) I wasn't criticizing the photographers - many of
whom are among the Greats - or the work, which speaks for itself. I was
simply pointing out that the work IS propaganda, produced for a
government propaganda agency, and needs to be considered on those terms.
That was NOT what we would today call documentary work or
photojournalism. Those photographers weren't told - go document life in
America during the Great Depression; nor were they told to go document
the lives of people in the Midwest and West during the Great Depression
- - they were told to go get photographs of poor people which would move
the great mass of people and put pressure on Congress to pass a very
specific set of social programs. And that doesn't strike me as any
different from putting a banner that says "Mission Accomplished" on an
aircraft carrier onto which a formerly AWOL Texas Air National Guard
pilot will be flown in a flight suit so that he can make a victory
speech to the American people. ;-)

B. D.
Stirring the pot every few days keeps the food for thought from sticking
to the bottom!"

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Well, for one thing this happened before there was any kind of 
formation of those concepts as we understand them now. Even so many of 
the photos were close enough considering the development of the 
profession in those days.

On Nov 20, 2003, at 10:38 AM, B. D. Colen wrote:

> Yes, they produced gorgeous work - but it
> was NOT documentary photography or photojournalism is any sense that 
> those terms are commonly understood;

Eric Welch
Carlsbad, CA
http://www.jphotog.com

Never slap a man who's chewing tobacco. - Will Rogers.

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