Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/12/07

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Subject: Re: [Leica] 35mm color vs. the tyranny of the masses
From: "Slobodan Dimitrov" <s.dimitrov@charter.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 07:40:03 -0800

I have the same recollection that the developer was late coming out of the
gate. That in itself is nothing new with Kodak.
Speaking of developers, I even tried Microphen and Microdol with T-max. I
can't remember the exact results, but I do remember being very disappointed.
Slobodan Dimitrov


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>From: Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com>
>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>Subject: Re: [Leica] 35mm color vs. the tyranny of the masses
>Date: Sat, Dec 6, 2003, 11:35 PM
>

> Slobodan Dimitrov wrote:
>>
>> I think that making the T-max developer replenishable was a later
>> development. If memory serves correctly, large production labs were looking
>> for more cost effective processing.
>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>
> As I recall the first  T-Max developer came out with no replenishing
> system and there was none. Or it didn't work out. It took an alternative
> tweak the T-Max developer RS? to be able to be replenished. Or done so
> effectively with it's proprietary developer.*
>
> But i still very clearly recall the film coming out way before it's
> proprietary developer and what a disaster that was and reading all about
> how the Kodak engineers or chemists what ever they are used D-76 to
> tweak the film until they had it right to release and THEN went to work
> on a developer which would make it even better. One thing at a time. But
> was worse. If they had a secret formula way ahead of time which they
> sent to Eric and Sexton then that's great but I'd think HP-110 would be
> close enough. It's just another liquid Phenidone developer.
> It was never explained what made the T-Max developer in whatever version
> significantly different or better than HC110 and I'm not sure it is. I'm
> afraid I think of it as HC110 with a T-Max label on it.
> Throw me a bone anyone old enought to have been there (dico ruled)
> because I'm sure i was not living in an alternative universe at the
> time. I remember this as if it were yesterday. Or this morning.
> But what was the middle part again?** :)
>
> Mark Rabiner
> Portland, Oregon USA
> http://www.rabinergroup.com
>
>
> *Xtol by the way is unusual because it is replenished with Xtol. Itself,
> straight up. No separate stuff to buy and store with a high alkali level
> to spice up your old sludge. I don't recall this in any other formula
> I'm aware of. An advantage of Xtol which apparently is a big deal to
> small labs where every square foot is a big deal.
>
> **Fish called Wanda
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Replies: Reply from JCB <jcb@visualimpressions.com> ([Leica] Re: WAS: 35mm color vs. the tyranny now.. T-max dev.)
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