Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/12/10

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Subject: RE: [Leica] The fine line between art and pornography
From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:26:56 -0500

Ooookaaaay.

I have to say that when I first looked at it, I thought that Kyle had
lost his mind. BUT...after reading the interview with the shooter -
sorry, how could I possibly resist? - I am willing to give him the
benefit of the doubt. I can certainly see this series as statement about
pornography; I would tend to see it as an anti-pornography statement,
actually. Do I want to pay money for this, and put it on my wall? No
way. But Eugene Richards, whose work I admire greatly, only has a tiny
handful of images I would want to consider having to live with on a
daily basis.

Anyway, is it art?

What's art?

B. D.



- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jack
McLain
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:22 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] The fine line between art and pornography


"An interesting comment of pornography"?  Really? At the risk of being
labeled a philistine, I will go out on a limb and state that I think
this series of photographs (and the underlying rationale) is a prime
example of pseudo-intellectual non-art. I mean "come on" already! This
is just (beautifully exposed and printed) sensationalist bullshit.

People that buy this stuff have too much money.

Jack McLain
Tucson, AZ
http://jackmclain-photography.dotcommunity.net

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kyle Cassidy" <KCassidy@asc.upenn.edu>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: [Leica] The fine line between art and pornography


> Not for the faint of heart, but the art world (in which some artists 
> use
> cameras) swings back and forth. Ashkan Sahihi's made a "sensational"
series
> of images that are only offensive with the proper text accompanying 
> them. And he's made an interesting comment on pornography without 
> using nudity. Which is interesting in and of itself. Are people 
> trying, intentionally
now,
> to be the next robert maplethorpe, or andreas serrano? Probably not, 
> but they pushed the envelope in a very different direction and it's 
> never
going
> to lose that shape, it'll just keep going.
>
> Ah, the LUG, that's where I get the art scene buzz.....
>
> Again -- a warning -- no nudity, but graphic sexual content.
>
> Interview about the exhibit:
>
> http://www.nerve.com/Dispatches/Martin/Face_premium/Face_text.asp
>
> And the exhibit:
>
> http://www.axelraben.com/sahihi/cumShots/
>
> kc
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