Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/12/10
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Well, first off, Ted, I don't think I asked the "is it art" question....I responded to it... And while I usually agree with you, this time we part company..I think this is a valid subject for discussion, particularly as no one has to look at it and be offended...I have to defend Kyle here and point out that when he lobbed this little grenade, he warned quite explicitly that some would find it extremely offensive. I can certainly understand anyone's being grossed out/offended, etc., by this particular "art," but, as I said, when I read the interview with the photographer, I did begin to think that what he was doing was interesting - if disgusting...;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Ted Grant Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:54 PM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: [Leica] The fine line between art and pornography B. D. Colen asked? >>> Anyway, is it art? > > What's art?<<<< B.D., it sure isn't this damn crap that's better suited to hanging in a "shit house or garbage pit!" It makes absolutely no art statement whatsoever, other than the perpetrator knows how to play on the sickness of sexually depraved people in society today. Hell I'm no prude, but damn it surely we can have one or two internet locations where we aren't plugged with this crap once again. ted " <bdcolen@earthlink.net> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [Leica] The fine line between art and pornography > Ooookaaaay. > > I have to say that when I first looked at it, I thought that Kyle had > lost his mind. BUT...after reading the interview with the shooter - > sorry, how could I possibly resist? - I am willing to give him the > benefit of the doubt. I can certainly see this series as statement > about pornography; I would tend to see it as an anti-pornography > statement, actually. Do I want to pay money for this, and put it on my > wall? No way. But Eugene Richards, whose work I admire greatly, only > has a tiny handful of images I would want to consider having to live > with on a daily basis. > > > B. D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jack > McLain > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:22 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: [Leica] The fine line between art and pornography > > > "An interesting comment of pornography"? Really? At the risk of being > labeled a philistine, I will go out on a limb and state that I think > this series of photographs (and the underlying rationale) is a prime > example of pseudo-intellectual non-art. I mean "come on" already! This > is just (beautifully exposed and printed) sensationalist bullshit. > > People that buy this stuff have too much money. > > Jack McLain > Tucson, AZ > http://jackmclain-photography.dotcommunity.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kyle Cassidy" <KCassidy@asc.upenn.edu> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:31 PM > Subject: [Leica] The fine line between art and pornography > > > > Not for the faint of heart, but the art world (in which some artists > > use > > cameras) swings back and forth. Ashkan Sahihi's made a "sensational" > series > > of images that are only offensive with the proper text accompanying > > them. And he's made an interesting comment on pornography without > > using nudity. Which is interesting in and of itself. Are people > > trying, intentionally > now, > > to be the next robert maplethorpe, or andreas serrano? Probably not, > > but they pushed the envelope in a very different direction and it's > > never > going > > to lose that shape, it'll just keep going. > > > > Ah, the LUG, that's where I get the art scene buzz..... > > > > Again -- a warning -- no nudity, but graphic sexual content. > > > > Interview about the exhibit: > > > > http://www.nerve.com/Dispatches/Martin/Face_premium/Face_text.asp > > > > And the exhibit: > > > > http://www.axelraben.com/sahihi/cumShots/ > > > > kc > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html