RE: [Leica] The fine line between art and pornography

["B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>]

This is NOT a comment on what is porn, but on Kyle's comment regarding
intergenerational views of things:

The cover story in the feature section of this a.m.'s Boston Globe was
all about the fact that 'dating' as most of us knew it is dead on
college campuses - at least in the Boston area, which has more colleges,
and a broader range of colleges, in less space than probably anywhere in
the world. According to the story, kids today hang out in groups, and
'hook up' for sex, not for relationships. It's all very weird. And I
have to say it makes me rethink a statement I made yesterday about the
society taking TV down the toilet and/or TV taking society. Because as I
read the story, and the huge 'graphic' asking kids what they think of
this season's "Friends," I began to think about the fact that "Friends,"
with it's theme of a gang of friends who do everything together, etc.
etc., has been on the tube since today's college students were in grade
school; it has been their model of young adult 'dating' and
relationships. Other than that, the only thing they've had to watch
about relationships has been the marriage sit-coms - and they certainly
wouldn't inspire one to want to create traditional relationships.

Hmmmmmm...

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Ted Said:
>What I really feel bad about is, this is a mixed audience of ladies, 
>>and
I'd hope some of us are still gentlemen who look upon this kind of >crap
not for mixed company. It's called respect of a lady! 

i've stepped up to the plate every time i thought something sexist and
innapropriate was being said in this list, at a time when _many_ of the
good old boys on the lug thought there was nothing wrong with a little
sexist joke between friends. which might show an interesting dichotomy
in intergenerational gender propriety. some things that i view as sexist
and patently offensive, someone brought up 20 years before me might see
as good fun ribbing. and my ideas of feminism might seem bizarre in the
other direction.

that said, my message contained _two_ warning as to the content at the
other end of the links. i've enough faith in the women on the lug and
persons of all genders to make up their own minds before clicking on a
link that says "graphic sexual content". 

we all, as photographers, have tremendous potential power to affect the
world and the way that people view it. and i see a _lot_ of photography
every day (especially on onemodelplace.com) that i find absolutely
reprehensible and without thought. however, this series doesn't bother
me as much as some cheesecake glamour shot of a woman who got talked out
of her clothes by someone who said he was a fashion photographer and all
the girls do it. i think there was thought behind this. and for $3500 i
can own all nine images .....
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