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Subject: RE: [Leica] Nikon RF 85/2 Lens - User Experience
From: Daniel Ridings <daniel.ridings@muspro.uio.no>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:09:02 +0100 (MET)
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Thanks Gene,

I wouldn't mind a Leica SLR at all, but I need autofocus (I think) and
absolutely digital (I know) with jacked up exposure indexes. That kind of
limits the choices.

I'm keeping an eye out for a good Leica SLR though. The local store in
Oslo was loaning them out for a week at a time in December but I missed
out on that. I was hoping to try one.

I write "I think" about autofocus because if I would just learn that the
difference between 15 and 25 meters is just a couple of millimeters on the
focussing barrel I could get by without it. I need some physical notches
there that I can flip back and forth between.

Best,
Daniel

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 grduprey@rockwellcollins.com wrote:

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> Daniel
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> What brand of SLR do you have?  I f Leica, the 28 - 70 works just fine and
> can be had for a song these days.  Not the most popular of R lenses, but
> quite nice for most situations requiring that range of focal lengths.
>
> Gene
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>                       Daniel Ridings
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>                       Sent by:                            Subject:  RE: [Leica] Nikon RF 85/2 Lens - User Experience
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>                       01/20/2004 12:49 PM
>                       Please respond to
>                       leica-users
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> There's one single situation I'm involved in that the foot-zoom doesn't
> work and that's when I'm taking pictures of the team skaters. I place
> myself higher up in the middle of the rink. A 45 would be perfect when
> they're in the middle of the rink and a 70 when they're at either end.
>
> So I'm actually on the look-out for one of those otherwise useless zooms:
> 35-70. Absolutely no useful range in normal conditions, but I would look
> pretty silly pendling back and forth on the sidelines at breakneck speed
> to zoom with my feet :)
>
> Daniel
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> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, B. D. Colen wrote:
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> > Funny, my problem with the 75 wasn't focusing - it was focal length; 75
> > is a neither-nor length - too tight when you want a 50, not tight enough
> > when you want a longer lens. I actually tested it out once and found it
> > only got me one of my steps closer to the subject, and that's not close
> > enough if I want to get closer than a 50 would bring me. So for me, the
> > 85 is definitely superior, as is a 90.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Marty
> > Deveney
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:53 AM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: RE: [Leica] Nikon RF 85/2 Lens - User Experience
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Coming to the rescue of a favourite lens . . . !
> >
> > B.D. wrote:
> > >Nope - he means the Nikon 85 1.4 AIS lens, which as near as I can tell,
> >
> > >is identical to the current autofocus version. Both are killer lenses,
> > >with a "finger print" indistinguishable from >that of the magnificent -
> >
> > >or it would be if it were an 85 ;-) - Leica >M 75 1.4.
> >
> > No, and yes.  The AF 85/1.4 Nikkor has internal focusing, the AiS does
> > not.  The AF has nine elements in eight groups, the AiS has seven
> > elements in five groups (even if several Nikon sites say it has seven
> > elements in nine groups!?).  Clearly a different design.  The results
> > are very similar.  In extreme tests the AF has some colour fringing and
> > the AiS a little distortion and is softer at the edges.  Depending on
> > what you do the softness might be an advantage.  The AF is sharper if
> > you like taking pictures of little B&W lines and developing for
> > acutance.  People argue about this, of course.
> >
> > None of this matters much in real life.  I kept the AiS, mostly because
> > it has a 'look' more like the Leica-M 75/1.4, which although I love it,
> > try as I might, I cannot focus consistently on an M camera.
> >
> > Gary wrote:
> > >Oh please.  While the Nikkor may be sharp, the sun has yet to rise or
> > >set on the day a Nikkor has the bokeh of a Leica.
> >
> > If there is a difference between these particular Nikkor and Leica
> > lenses, it's _not_ in the bokeh.  The optical formulas are so similar as
> > to make the bokeh of this pair almost indistinguishable (shall we
> > conduct a test!?).  The real differences lie in the Leica having better
> > coating (making it less flare-prone and having slightly better colour
> > saturation) and tighter QC (meaning you're less likely to get a 'dog'
> > and that it costs three times as much).  Of course the Leica is a 75,
> > the Nikkor an 85.  As B.D. points out, that probably is the most
> > significant difference apart from the fact that the Nikkor attaches to
> > an SLR and the Leica attaches to an M rangefinder.
> >
> > The Leica 80/1.4 R might be stellar too, but I never tried it because
> > I'm not a big fan of the R cameras.  The best of all the 85's may well
> > be the Carl Zeiss 85/1.2 http://www.cameraquest.com/z8512.htm but it has
> > a 1 metre close-focus and is like hen's teeth.  The Zeiss 85/1.4 is also
> > amazing.
> >
> > Now, let's all go find one of Kyle's posts and read the last line . . .
> >
> > Marty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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