Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/02/27

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Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter
From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:20:09 -0800
References: <20040227121102.71928.qmail@web60401.mail.yahoo.com> <403F61C8.E09C84AF@pacbell.net> <004801c3fd4a$40b33740$dc645618@vc.shawcable.net> <403F6BAC.5ED036B@pacbell.net> <005c01c3fd51$c9248d20$dc645618@vc.shawcable.net>

Joe

If he needs Salvation from us, to whom do we direct it?

Jerry

Joe Leung wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> In situation and in this forum, may be we should say: "Ask not what he can
> do for us. Ask what we can do for him"!
>
> Joe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Lehrer" <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter
>
> > Joe
> >
> > Yes, but why tell us about his private negotiations unless it could
> > help us?  How could it help us?
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Joe Leung wrote:
> >
> > > Jerry,
> > >
> > > I think Mark is very kind. He tried to send a warning to the seller and
> to
> > > give him a final chance to resolve the matter privately before exposing
> his
> > > identity. I hope the seller will do something about it before it's too
> late.
> > >
> > > Good luck Mark.
> > >
> > > Joe L.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jerry Lehrer" <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
> > > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:27 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter
> > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > Since you have withheld the sellers name, your message does
> > > > not prevent any of us from falling into a similar trap from the
> > > > same seller.
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise, why send an "open letter"?
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > >
> > > > Mark Theken wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Over the past two years, I have made many mutually
> > > > > beneficial transactions with LUG participants.  I
> > > > > deeply regret the necessity to post this message
> > > > > regarding a recent transaction.  The seller, by
> > > > > refusing to respond to my correspondence, has given me
> > > > > no alternative to seek the refund I have requested
> > > > > over the past 2 weeks.
> > > > > Dear XXXXXXX:
> > > > > I am requesting that you acknowledge the sale and
> > > > > guarantee of originality of black paint M3 # 993XXX
> > > > > which I received from you on 2/6/2004.  I contacted
> > > > > you immediately after receiving this camera and
> > > > > politely stated my concerns regarding the authenticity
> > > > > of this camera.  The documentation you claimed prior
> > > > > to the sale was unavailable.  Because you were unable
> > > > > to provide copies of this documentation, I politely
> > > > > requested that you accept the return of this camera
> > > > > and refund the purchase price.  You responded with a
> > > > > refusal to discuss this transaction any further.
> > > > > Curiously, you also ignored my request to provide a
> > > > > sales receipt for this mail order transaction.
> > > > > Regardless, I have copies of the bank draft, made
> > > > > payable to you, in the amount of USD $6225.
> > > > > Based upon your claim of expertise in authenticating
> > > > > rare Leica cameras, I made the good faith and sight
> > > > > unseen purchase of this camera which you listed for
> > > > > sale on the LUG website.  It has since been
> > > > > established by three internationally recognized Leica
> > > > > collectors that this camera was altered from the
> > > > > original 1960 production at some point in time.  That
> > > > > message was forwarded to you 2/20/2004.   Based upon
> > > > > this information, two possibilities exist.
> > > > > 1-Your representation of the authenticity and
> > > > > guarantee of originality of black paint M3 # 993XXX
> > > > > was erroneous.
> > > > > 2-You were aware that this camera had been altered
> > > > > since the original production in 1960.  Your refusal
> > > > > to respond to any of my correspondence about this
> > > > > transaction makes this very disturbing to me.
> > > > > You stated in our correspondence that this camera has
> > > > > a value of two times the price that I paid.  In
> > > > > reality, the value is more likely 50% of the price I
> > > > > paid.  If you are convinced that the value of the
> > > > > camera is as you have stated, reversing this
> > > > > transaction should be a very simple economic decision
> > > > > for you.
> > > > > As I stated in my previous messages to you, by
> > > > > returning the purchase amount of USD $6225 to attorney
> > > > > Alfred Wolsky in Arlington, MA, we can both walk away
> > > > > from this transaction undamaged.  Mr. Wolsky, the
> > > > > Legal Officer of the LHSA, has graciously agreed at my
> > > > > request to act as an escrow agent.  He will hold the
> > > > > camera to be returned to you by whatever arrangements
> > > > > you make with him.   In that event, I am willing to
> > > > > accept that the first possibility listed above is
> > > > > correct.  I think we both will sleep much better with
> > > > > that conclusion to this matter.
> > > > > Your frequent posts to the LUG over the past two years
> > > > > have stated your expectation of a high level of
> > > > > integrity from LUG participants.  It is now time for
> > > > > you to act as you expect others to.  It is not my
> > > > > intention to impeach your expertise, integrity or
> > > > > standing within the LUG or LHSA community in any way.
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel it is in our mutual best interest for you to
> > > > > respond to this request immediately.
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Mark Theken
> > > > > telephone:  330-494-3552
> > > > > marktheken@yahoo.com
> > > > >
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In reply to: Message from Mark Theken <marktheken@yahoo.com> ([Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter)
Message from Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net> (Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter)
Message from Joe Leung <jcyleung8@shaw.ca> (Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter)
Message from Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net> (Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter)
Message from Joe Leung <jcyleung8@shaw.ca> (Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter)