Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/08/31

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Subject: [Leica] Loved Your 1970 Vintage 105 Nikkor, Raise Your Hand!
From: feli at creocollective.com (Feli di Giorgio)
Date: Tue Aug 31 15:16:01 2004
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On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 14:06, David Mason wrote:
> I thought the DR was supposed to be the design to beat all summicron
> designs. I have the version right after the DR and it blows me away -
> by far the sharpest lens I own.
> 
> Dave


There are four optical versions of the Summicron 2/50:

v01 - Collapsible 1953-60 

v02 - Rigid / DR (7 elements) 1956-68

v03 - 6 elements in 5 groups  1969-79

v04 - 6 elements in 4 groups 1979- current (clip-on hood and built-in)


v01 and v02 are of the traditional high resolution / med contrast type.
The collapsible is very, very sharp at f8.

The rigid / DR was a big improvement over the collapsible.

The rigid / DR resolves over 100 lines, but doesn't have the high micro
contrast of the later versions.

In the 1960's lens designers realized that the perception of sharpness
was dependent on contrast, so a new generation of lenses appeared that 
stressed increased micro contrast (Nikor 2/50 H.C. etc).

The DR is very strong from f4.0 to 5.6-8. Wide open the newer models are
more even across the frame, with stronger corners and resolve fine detail
with more contrast. They are also less susceptible to flare.

The current v04 Cron is really hard to beat, at any stop. I am constantly
surprised by just how good this lens is. Razor sharp from corner to corner,
but without the harsh look and nasty bokeh you sometimes get from the ASPH 
designs.

Supposedly the new versions of the Lux inch ahead, but frankly I
I think you will only see that if you shoot test charts. ;-)

All of that said, I really like the look of the DR. It is plenty sharp
and produces these butter smooth tonal ranges, with the slightest touch of
glow in the highlights. It really is the best B/W lens I have.

The light out here in California, during most of the year, is very hard and 
the modern Cron can produce some very harsh pictures out here in broad 
daylight.
Indoors it's a whole different story. I'm going to Europe in a few weeks and 
think
the increased contrast of the v04 will work out really well with the 
overcast skies.

One interesting note is that the non-asph Summilux (v02) falls somewhere in 
between
the DR and current Summicron. Below f4 it's sharper than the DR and has a 
little more
contrast, but it's much smoother and glows a little more in the highlights 
than
a newer Cron. The Lux also happens to be an amazing bokeh machine. Puts 
describes
the Lux as a Cron v03, opened up a stop and I think he's right.




Feli


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Replies: Reply from wharting at verizon.net (bill harting) ([Leica] Was Loved Nikkor, now 50 Summicron)
In reply to: Message from buzz.hausner at verizon.net (Buzz Hausner) ([Leica] If You Absolutely Loved Your 1970 Vintage 105 Nikkor, Raise Your Hand!)
Message from feli at creocollective.com (Feli di Giorgio) ([Leica] If You Absolutely Loved Your 1970 Vintage 105 Nikkor, Raise Your Hand!)
Message from masonster at gmail.com (David Mason) ([Leica] If You Absolutely Loved Your 1970 Vintage 105 Nikkor, Raise Your Hand!)