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Subject: [Leica] DMR: Hands on(moire filter)
From: s.jessurun95 at chello.nl (animal)
Date: Fri Nov 12 14:35:38 2004
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here,s a review of another camera without the filter.
haven,t read it yet.hope it is helpful
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/kodak-dcs.shtml
best regards
simon jessurun
amsterdam

> Frank I know EXACTLY what you're talking about and the answer is: I
> don't know and the rep wasn't a software guy. He alluded to a few
> other cameras that don't have low-pass filters in the optical path,
> but I forget which ones they were.
>
> The example image they used was of a woman in a wedding dress where
> the veil, with it's myriad of tiny crossing lines, shows up with all
> sorts of rainbow artifacts. With the software filter in place that
> vanishes and is replaced by more of a blur. So, perhaps, they are
> doing in software what the filter does in the light-path, and
> smoothing pixels together in some sort of way, perhaps based
> upon...???? Hell, I don't know.
>
> But I think you're right -- they seem to be pushing the "rightness" of
> digital sampling.
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:24:08 +0000, Frank Dernie
> <frank.dernie@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Does anybody know how this works? As far as I remember, in digital
> > sampling if the low pass filter is not applied before digitising it is
> > not possible to separate valid data from aliasing artefacts.
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11 Nov, 2004, at 06:20, Feli di Giorgio wrote:
> >
> > >> The moire filter is in software, not hardware.  The idea behind this
> > >> is to
> > >> maximize image quality in most situations, and use the software moire
> > >> filter
> > >> only when nessesary, such as with fabrics or other fine patterns like
> > >> distant picket fences.  Other camera makers use a hardware moire
> > >> filter
> > >> which softens the image.
> > >
> > > Thanks Doug, sounds very encouraging.
> > >
> > > Canon uses a fairly aggressive hardware filter and people often
> > > complain
> > > that it results in softer images.
> > >
> > > Nikon's D70 uses a similar approach as Leica, resulting in very sharp
> > > images,
> > > but sometimes you have to massage the files a little more in your RAW
> > > software.
> > > Personally I think this is the way to go. I like to start out with as
> > > much information
> > > as possible from the capture device and fiddle with it myself. Imacon
> > > is a very
> > > experienced company and I'm sure they will get this right.
> > >
> > > Feli
> > >
> > >
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Replies: Reply from s.jessurun95 at chello.nl (animal) ([Leica] more on anti aliasing)
In reply to: Message from telyt at earthlink.net (Doug Herr) ([Leica] DMR: Hands on)
Message from feli2 at earthlink.net (Feli di Giorgio) ([Leica] DMR: Hands on)
Message from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) ([Leica] DMR: Hands on)
Message from abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) ([Leica] DMR: Hands on)