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Subject: [Leica] Magnum Stories
From: jon.stanton at comcast.net (Jon)
Date: Sun Nov 28 12:43:55 2004
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Price starts at $6.95..
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "leo" <leowesson@charter.net>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:34
Subject: Re: [Leica] Magnum Stories


> BD,
>
> I haven't read that on yet .
>
> There is also a book called "Fifty Years at the Front Line of
> History-Magnum" by Russell Miller (1997) that is a good read.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0802136532/
> qid=1101673969/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/104-4615303-2400755?
> v=glance&s=books&n=507846
>
> Leo
>
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2004, at 12:16 PM, B. D. Colen wrote:
>
> > Got a chance yesterday to actually take a look at this book - For
> > anyone
> > at all interested not only in the stories behind the stories, but also
> > in how Magnum members approach story telling, this is a definite must.
> > It includes everything from Capa's D-Day work, to Eugene Smith's
> > Country
> > Doctor, to Bruce Davidson's subway project, to stuff by lesser known
> > Magnum members - 61 in all. In each case there's an extensive interview
> > or text, and then lot's of images. And for those only interested in
> > "Leica photography," allot of this stuff was shot with Leicas, and the
> > vast majority of it was shot with film. Someone - I can't immediately
> > think of who it was and I haven't yet purchased the book so I can't
> > check right away - talks about having used film throughout his career
> > and now having to deal with the fact that the film era is approaching
> > its end. Interesting, valuable stuff.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
> > [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> > Mark Rabiner
> > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 8:43 PM
> > To: Leica Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Are there different Summilux 75 versions?
> >
> >
> > On 11/27/04 8:57 AM, "Dan C" <bladman99@yahoo.ca> typed:
> >
> >> The Leica 75mm Summilux is the one and only lens that I have ever used
> >
> >> that had a look to it that was distinctively different (and better)
> > than others.
> >>    My 90/2 APO-ASPH (or my Minolta 85/1.4 for that matter) is sharper
> > but
> >> just doesn't take as nice a photo.   I'm sure that others reading this
> > who
> >> own both lenses will know what I'm talking about.
> >>
> >> I am 100% convinced that if Leica ever redesigns the lens it will just
> >
> >> become one of a set of sharp medium length tele lens that are a dime a
> >> dozen these days.   As I sell off my collection of Leica lenses (three
> > and
> >> counting), the 75 will likely be the last to go.
> >>
> >> -dan c.
> >>
> > While not quite seeing Leicas latest generation of ASPH's as a dime a
> > dozen or in any way boring I do think Leica made a wise move in Leaving
> > the 75 like it is, thinking of it was a classic as you do and coming
> > out
> > with another 75 inspired by Mr. Koberoski's 2.5 move in high
> > compactness
> > and lack of high speed. Although an f2 Summicron 75 would not be
> > considered I don't think either a slow or a fast lens it is an
> > OPTIMIZED
> > lens. And an optic there is room for in the Leica lineup as having the
> > 75 only be in effect a cropped Noctilux has a limited studio audience.
> > The 75 1.4 is the only Leica focal length I don't use. the Cosina
> > Voigtl?nder 2.5, an early try for him/them under whelmed me and I'd
> > have
> > to use it the an adaptor as Its screw mt.
> >
> > Everyone said here on the list that Leica would not dare to compete
> > with
> > them on the 75.
> > I hoped and thought they would.
> > I was right.
> >
> > I think Leica should come out with an optimal frameline configuration
> > with no 50 smearing up against the 75.
> >
> > I think they should come out with a configuration in which the middle
> > group instead of of 50 and 75... 40 and 75.
> >
> > My new 40 Summicron has been glued on my body (the camera one that is)
> > for a month. It solves the dilemma as to which lens to bring. The 50 or
> > the 35. You just bring the 40 and shift your weight forward or
> > backwards
> > a little.
> >
> > 50's are great but an optimal optional set could be:
> >
> > A 5 40 and 75
> > (skip your 35 and 90.
> >
> > And a 28mm
> >
> > But reintroduce the Summaron as I said last week for a compact option
> > on
> > the 28. And a lower cost option at that. A 2.8 super compact amazingly
> > sharp lens. Or get an old one with lots of character
> >
> > So that's a 28, 40, 75 setup.
> >
> > Which would mean of course they'd have to re introduce the 40.
> >
> > A 40mm has a Horizontal angle of view of 48 lets call it 50 degrees A
> > 75mm lens has an HAV of 27 call it 30 degrees A 28 lens has an HAV of
> > 65
> >
> > So you've got a 30, 50, 65 degree setup.
> >
> > That's a nice efficient point spread Nick the Greek would agree.
> >
> > Extensions of that basic setup would be to go even wider and longer.
> >
> >
> > A 90mm lens has an HAV of slightly less then 20 degrees a 10 point
> > spread. So maybe skip it and go directly to a 135mm hyper APO or cheapo
> > Hektor
> > (woof!) which is 15 degrees.
> > So you've now got a 15, 30, 50, 65 degree setup.
> >
> > A 21 pulls you out to 80 carry the one.
> >
> > The new 18 which seems to be on the horizon to 90 degees.
> >
> > The total Leica lens set which is available sets you up with a HAV's
> > about 10 degrees apart. You've got a lens in the 10's 20's 30's etc.
> >
> > I know I could have gotten by with a well planned 20.
> > If I only used one body at a time at all shoots.
> >
> >
> > We need more pancakes!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Rabiner
> > Photography
> > Portland Oregon
> > http://rabinergroup.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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