[Leica] LEICA could be clever

[bladman99 at yahoo.ca (Dan C)]

In all this discussion, I don't think anyone has questioned the effect of
Leica's troubles on the forthcoming rangefinder camera from Zeiss-Ikon.  It
is ironic that the demise of Leica Corp. should coincide with an apparent
resurgence of interest in rangefinder cameras.

-dan c.

At 12:01 PM 23-02-05 -0500, B. D. Colen wrote:
>What's so sad is that after putting the meter in the M at the point when
>everyone had already put meters in their SLRs and some had even gone to
>AE or even more automation, Leica was cowed by the collector types in
>its fan base, who complained that no real Leica would have a meter, and
>who said that the M5 was much to big, and ugly, and didn't look like a
>Leica - those of you who own and love them know what BS this is, and
>those of you who don't should check out the measurements. ;-)
>
>So Leica buckled, and went to the M4 series, afraid to go the meter
>route again until the late 80s, when the geniuses at Solms finally
>figured out how to get a meter into an M without making it look
>different. Of course when they then introduced TTL flash metering a good
>15 years after other manufacturers, folks on this very list whined and
>bitched that the TTL is how much higher than the standard M6?
>
>So now we hear that the MP - which may indeed be beautifully built, but
>which retains a rewind system no one who has ever had to rewind in a
>hurry would want - outsells the M7. Well, I'm sure that's true; there's
>no question the MP will call to the 'classicists' far louder than the
>M7. And obviously some will read that as proving that Leica should
>remain loyal to its loyalists, and only produce 'classic' cameras.
>
>Those folks may be right. On the other hand, there obviously aren't
>enough of those classicists out there to keep Leica alive, so how smart
>has it been to listen to those folks all along, rather than figure out
>how to produce truly modern rangefinders that remain as close as
>possible to the classic Leicas in appearance, while continuing to use
>the M mount lenses?
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
>[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
>Ted Grant
>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:16 AM
>To: Leica Users Group
>Subject: Re: [Leica] LEICA could be clever
>
>
>B. D. Colen offered:
>Subject: RE: [Leica] LEICA could be clever
>
>
>> That could well be true - and if Leica were to kill off the M7 and 
>> stick with the MP the company would be repeating the M5 mistake...and 
>> we see where that one got them. ;-)<<<
>
>Hi B.D.,
>Absolutely! And as one who worked M5's, (don't forget guys I use M's 3
>at a 
>time while working.) I unfortunately was influenced by a "techie type"
>that 
>the M5 wasn't as good as an M6. I sold 3 M5's for $800.00 each on a
>quick 
>sale. Today of course I understand why the guy got his money out so fast
>to 
>pay me. :-(  No idea what they'd be worth today, damn poor luck for me.
>
>As for dropping the M7? My goodness me, I know at times they make
>horribly 
>stupid mistakes in Solms, but to kill the M7 without question would be
>worse 
>than killing the M5!
>
>Having used 3 M7's since they arrived on the market, and despite all the
>
>positive accolades about earlier M models. Rightly deserved as they were
>
>good. Still are! :-)  But the M7 is the best of the breed bar 
>none.....!!!!!!!!!
>
>That's from practical hard shooting days, weeks, months, years?  Gotta
>be 
>close in years, two anyway.;-)
>
>And before this topic might evolve into a terminally long anti-pro
>battle 
>over the M7, may I please ask.... save your breathe folks..... no one
>will 
>change my mind simply because I wouldn't change them for anything 
>else...........other than?
>
>Yep you guessed it.....a digital M7! ;-)  There you go eh? Let the
>battle 
>begin, over the top at sunrise! ;-)
>
>ted
>
>
>
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