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Subject: [Leica] Leica R lenses on Canon Digital Bodies
From: nathan.wajsman at planet.nl (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Mon May 23 12:33:56 2005
References: <BEB743C6.1574A%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Mark,

At the risk of contradicting myself, I repeat: Leica lenses are the 
best. No question about it. I will never sell my 100mm Apo Macro. But I 
also assumed that the person to whom I was giving advice was someone of 
average means, like most of us, and that he had no prior attachment to 
the Leica R system. Given that, money has to play a part in the advice. 
Normally when evaluating any piece of equipment, people look not just at 
the quality, nor only at the price, but at the overall price/quality ratio.

I have a 1.8/85mm Canon lens which I bought used for $285. A used 100mm 
Apo Macro will cost at least $1800 (that is the lowest price I have seen 
advertised). Can I honestly say that for someone of average means, 
buying the Leica is justified when for 1/6 of the price he can get a 
Canon lens of comparable focal length, more than 1 stop wider aperture 
and autofocus, which will give him 95%+ of what the Leica lens gives? I 
think not.

Yes, we all love our Leica stuff, but at some point rationality has to 
enter into the equation.

Nathan

Mark Rabiner wrote:


> Nathan I seem to recall you have and here on the internet you sure hear
> about a lot of guys who just go gung ho over digital and cant see 
> themselves
> ever going back to film for anything. Just leaves me scratching my head.
> I have. I've shot more film the past two months than made digital captures.
> Last year I went nuts focusing on digital getting it down.
> Love it. It's great. I know how to do it. Now I'm back to shooting a bunch
> more film. I guess I've already gone full circle.
> Not that I've printed it in the darkroom I'm using the Epson 2200 but
> darkroom time will come back soon enough to a proper balance. Like I'll go
> in there before my hair turns white.
> 
> I'm basically a Leica guy.
> I've long gotten over if Leica can justify it's prices or not. It's a small
> company. I don't think the Herr Cones flew around in Lear Jets.
> A Leica lens I save for a year to get. That's just been part of my Leica
> ballgame for a dozen years now. I feel the results are worth it or I'd not
> do that.
> That's why I'm here on the Leica users group a list of people who I assume
> think Leica is worth it for them. We buy the stuff and use it.
> Thought you were in that category too!
> 
> IF it didn't I wouldn't I'd just buy Nikon stuff for 35 and digital 35 on a
> whim or when the mood moves me.
> 
> To me a reason to get into Leica R, me being mainly a rangefinder shooter 
> is
> for the 60 and 100 macro. And down the line a real long lens. Maybe if I 
> win
> the lottery the modular system. The rest I can do with my M system and
> hopefully have a digital body for it soon so I'll really be using it.
> I love my Nikon system but would love more to use it less.
> 
> To me a 100 macro is a very very useful thing.
> As is a 60.
> I'd love to be shooting Leica on that instead of Nikon that I am now.
> Although I cant say shooting Nikon is a painful experience.
> 
> I did notice when I got my 60 AF macro Nikor last year that for not that
> much more I could have gotten a used 60 macro Leica lens. Same one Salgato
> uses for so much stuff and I've seen those prints. And they look better 
> than
> mine. And its not his enlarger lens or something he's putting in his 
> Dektol.
> Subject matter not included.
> 
> 
> Mark Rabiner
> Photography
> Portland Oregon
> http://rabinergroup.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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