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Subject: [Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?
From: Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie)
Date: Thu Jun 23 12:13:16 2005
References: <4cfa589b050620084173ac3acc@mail.gmail.com> <BACDDBA9-0B32-40FE-931F-40D431C05D21@btinternet.com> <42B7E24A.8060409@summaventures.com> <FAB04699-7562-43BC-B5FD-7594FA6102CD@btinternet.com> <b7pjb1trvs99ji1ho8t868m8sqhf857kjv@4ax.com> <001301c5779c$ae9dfc40$0ce84142@D1S9FY41> <F6AF9B0B-7301-4C9D-BE23-5C6C21DB7E37@btinternet.com> <006601c577fb$1f78bc30$0ce84142@D1S9FY41>

If Bridgestone tyres had a problem I am sure the other teams would  
have voted to make whatever change was required, as long as it was  
reasonable such as a chicane. In fact it is only Ferrari who are  
totally ruthless, since Jean Todt was principal, and it is their  
right and it has been successful even if it has taken a lot of the  
sporting spirit from F1. Minardi and Jordan agreed to the proposed  
changes.
Frank


On 23 Jun, 2005, at 14:54, Seth Rosner wrote:

> Frank, you are perfectly correct about Mosely. In my view that  
> doesn't persuade me that he and FIA were correct in their response.  
> If the facts had been reversed and Bridgestone tires had been  
> faulty, would the Michelin teams have agreed to change the circuit  
> to let Ferrari be competitive? What do you think?
>
> Seth
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Dernie"  
> <Frank.Dernie@btinternet.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?
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>
>
>> Max is the consummate politician check out his background. What he  
>> is writing is the first tirade in what will be a long and tedious  
>> legal  and political battle for power. It has little to do with  
>> the facts  IMO but he is a very convincing Machiavellian and often  
>> wins. Behind  this whole story is a massive power struggle in  
>> motor sport between  Mosely and some others, the loser was the  
>> spectator.
>> Frank
>>
>> On 23 Jun, 2005, at 03:38, Seth Rosner wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Eric, you are missing nothing. You have it exactly right.
>>> Here is the FIA release of the Q&A of Max Moseley, FIA  
>>> President.  He states the facts surrounding this unpleasantness  
>>> and explains,  with clear examples, precisely why the FIA could  
>>> not change its  rules to accommodate mistakes in equipment and  
>>> preparation:
>>>
>>> http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2005/ 
>>> June/ 220605-01.html
>>>
>>> Seth
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" <ericm@pobox.com>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Frank:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The FIA are now circulating outraged press releases which try  
>>>>> to lay
>>>>> the blame for the actual race fiasco elsewhere. Clearly the   
>>>>> technical
>>>>> failure was down to Michelin. The absence of a compromise solution
>>>>> allowing a race to take place for the spectators was IMHO entirely
>>>>> due to the FIA refusing to adopt such a compromise. Obviously they
>>>>> have the power to do this though they have never used it like this
>>>>> before.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Usually, the only race I watch is the Indy 500.  I saw the  
>>>> reports  of this
>>>> fiasco and was interested since it was run at Indy.
>>>>
>>>> What I don't understand is how this is anybody's fault other  
>>>> than the
>>>> Michelin teams.
>>>>
>>>> If the Pistons went to the officials and said that they were   
>>>> having problems
>>>> running as fast up and down the court as the Spurs and could  
>>>> they impose
>>>> artificial constraints so the Pistons could rest more, they'd be  
>>>> laughed at.
>>>> If the Pistons want to slow their game down, they're entitled  
>>>> to  do so. But
>>>> why should the Spurs be affected?
>>>>
>>>> Bring the wrong equipment and then refuse to race because the   
>>>> officials
>>>> won't penalize your opponent?  Then again, like I said, I don't  
>>>> watch
>>>> Formula 1 on a regular basis.  So I *must* be missing  
>>>> something.   From the
>>>> outside, it looks rather silly.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Eric
>>>> http://canid.com/
>>>>
>>>>
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