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Subject: [Leica] new Puts article
From: s.dimitrov at charter.net (Slobodan Dimitrov)
Date: Sat Jun 25 08:05:02 2005
References: <BEE2BFC1.1F72%bdcolen@comcast.net>

Yep, I'd have to agree with you. It's akin to listening to an  
outmoded philosophy argument that doesn't know it's time had come and  
past.

Slobodan Dimitrov
Studio G-8, AGCC
http://sdimitrovphoto.com



On Jun 25, 2005, at 5:01 AM, B. D. Colen wrote:

> Well one thing I find both amusing and revelatory about it is what  
> it says
> about Putz's lack of understanding of pretty much anything having  
> to do with
> photography in the real world. While I do not for a minute contend  
> that the
> Olympus E-1 comes anywhere near the Canon D20 or EOS1DMK2 in terms  
> of low
> noise level- would that it did!- to contend that the camera is "  
> not usable
> at ISO 400 and higher and even excellent programs like Noise Ninja  
> cannot
> cope with the massive noise the E-1 generates" shows a complete  
> lack of
> understanding of what one gets when shooting film at high isos, to say
> nothing of digital.
>
> I have been using the E-1 almost exclusively for about two years now -
> shooting everything from street stuff to weddings, to a book  
> jacket, to
> operating rooms - and I rarely use it below400 iso, and probably  
> use it at
> 800 the majority of the time. At 800 I sometimes use Noise Ninja, but
> certainly not more than half the time - if that, although I always  
> run it if
> I shoot at 1600 - and I have yet to have a client of any kind say  
> "what's
> this noise?" or "why is this so 'dirty?' Or "what's with the grain."
>
> (Keep in mind that virtually everything I've posted at the gallery  
> over the
> past year or more has been shot digitally, most with the E-1, some  
> with even
> smaller sensor cameras that Erwin would rightly describe as really  
> noisy,
> and yet only very rarely has anyone said anything about noise - and  
> it's not
> as though there aren't people on this list who wouldn't love to  
> criticize.
> ;-) )
>
> What Erwin has revealed here is his view that for photography to be
> acceptable, images must be shot on the finest grain film available, in
> bright light. And while there is nothing wrong with shooting under  
> those
> conditions, they hardly define photography.
>
> Now, will Olympus be able to reduce the noise generated by the  
> small 4/3
> sensor and will they be able to do so while going from a five to an  
> 8-10-or
> 12 meg sensor? I wish I new.
>
> B. D.*
>
> *Reminder - I am sponsored by Olympus and get free equipment from  
> them.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/25/05 7:08 AM, "Scott McLoughlin" <scott@adrenaline.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I could hardly follow this article. Bigger lenses? That's not what  
>> Oly
>> is claiming about their 4/3 sensor - right?
>>
>> Is he talking about sensor/negative format, or something  
>> particular to
>> digital sensors?  If so, the evidence provided in the article is  
>> somewhat
>> shy compared to many of his other articles.
>>
>> Many folks prefer the performance of certain 135 format lenses on
>> APS-C sensors. The Nikkor 35/2 AFD comes to mind for example.
>>
>> Is Puts talking about some theoretical truth to which material
>> reality to which material reality has not yet caught up?
>>
>> I just couldn't quite follow this particular article, which  
>> rambled on
>> and on, and contradicted alot of "received wisdom" I've read to date.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> animal wrote:
>>
>>
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