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Subject: [Leica] tri-x and microdol-x
From: dlridings at gmail.com (Daniel Ridings)
Date: Tue Jan 3 12:26:49 2006
References: <000401c61080$67ed96c0$656c0e44@newukolbqveo9i> <EC5D3613-7B16-4D58-BDFB-5FBA204D33A3@pandora.be> <a2f8f4470601031040y260173bbw2476983424c06d@mail.gmail.com> <0d5601c61097$11479d90$0400a8c0@robertbxucevjs> <a2f8f4470601031119m9092531m2345bfe3e0d8dd8e@mail.gmail.com> <0d7101c610a0$c8679080$0400a8c0@robertbxucevjs>

Good man!

:-)


On 1/3/06, Robert Meier <robertmeier@usjet.net> wrote:
>
> Daniel,
>
> Thanks.   Mike has published my pictures a couple of times before,
> illustrating one thing or another.   This time he just used this shot as a
> favor  because I wanted to get my four grandsons into print.
>
> Bob
>
> > It sure is! I took it for granted that it was one of Mike Johnston's
> > pictures to illustrate the lens he raves about in the article.
> >
> > Congratulations!
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> > On 1/3/06, Robert Meier <robertmeier@usjet.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Daniel,
> >>
> >> The December issue of Black and White Photography also has one of my
> >> pictures in it, on page 51.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Philippe,
> >> >
> >> > Have you ever seen the magazine "Black and White Photography" from the
> >> > UK?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.gmcpubs.com
> >> >
> >> > In the current, December 2005, issue there is an article about fine
> >> > grain developers. They run through the merits and disadvantages of
> >> > Microdol-X, Adox ADX, Calbe A49/Adox ATM49 (both are Agfa Atomal),
> >> > Tetenal Ultrafin Plus and Mac LP-Cube XS.
> >> >
> >> > Most of what has been said about Microdol-X has already been said 
> >> > here.
> >> >
> >> > I don't know where the idea comes from that Tri-X is grainy. The 400TX
> >> > is one of Kodak's most fine-grained films (TMX probably beats it out,
> >> > but I doubt if much else does). Don't give up on the obvious before
> >> > you dive into esoteric concoctions. Diluted D76 or Xtol will get you a
> >> > long way. My print for round 4 of the print exchange was Tri-X and D76
> >> > 1:1. I don't think it is grainy.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Daniel
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 1/3/06, Philippe Orlent <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote:
> >> >> Thank you all for the input.
> >> >>
> >> >> But concluding after my initial question:
> >> >> 1) Better don't combine Tri-X with Microdol X because the developer
> >> >> counteracts on the speed and grain of the emulsion, thus on the
> >> >> character of the film.
> >> >> 2) But if you do, expose the Tri-X at ISO 200, dilute the Microdol 1
> >> >> to 3, and search the web (f.i. on http://www.digitaltruth.com/
> >> >> devchart.html) for correct development times since Kodak's times
> >> >> stink.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Op 3-jan-06, om 17:11 heeft Jeffery Smith het volgende geschreven:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I've seen a few respectable pictures taken with Tri-X and Rodinal.
> >> >> > I've
> >> >> > never ventured into that combo, but I may try it using a bit of
> >> >> > overdevelopment like you suggest. It is next to impossible to get
> >> >> > Rodinal
> >> >> > down here for a decent price. I think I'll try Photographer's
> >> >> > Formulary
> >> >> > generic Rodinal.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jeffery Smith
> >> >> > New Orleans, LA
> >> >> > http://www.400tx.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
> >> >> > [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> >> >> > Dan
> >> >> > States
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:16 AM
> >> >> > To: lug@leica-users.org
> >> >> > Subject: RE: [Leica] tri-x and microdol-x
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Microdol x used at recommended times does reduce film speed, but
> >> >> > when shot
> >> >> > at 250 and developement is extended it produces proper negative
> >> >> > density.  I
> >> >> > have found that much of what I used to call poor resolution was
> >> >> > actually
> >> >> > underdevelopement.  Tri-x needs to be fully developed or the
> >> >> > sharpness
> >> >> > impression is reduced.  The problem with high accutance developers
> >> >> > like
> >> >> > FX-39 and Ilfosol s is the granularity increase is very
> >> >> > unattractive at
> >> >> > greater than 5x enlargement.  (FX-39 is really not even recomended
> >> >> > for high
> >> >> > speed film.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Considering that maximum resolution on hand held photography is
> >> >> > rarely more
> >> >> > than 60lp Tri-x is capable of all the sharpness you could need.  
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > reduction of grain appearance is, in my opinion, more important to
> >> >> > final
> >> >> > image quality with that film.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So far I have found Kodak's rec development times to be total
> >> >> > crap.  Nearly
> >> >> > all thier films require 15-30% more developement time than their
> >> >> > website
> >> >> > states.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In the end, you should try microdol, d76, xtol, DDX, rodinal and
> >> >> > other
> >> >> > developers.  They are not expensive, and you will be able to find
> >> >> > what works
> >> >> >
> >> >> > best for you...plus, it's fun!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > best wishes
> >> >> > Dan
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> From: "Jeffery Smith" <jsmith342@cox.net>
> >> >> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> >> >> >> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org>
> >> >> >> Subject: RE: [Leica] tri-x and microdol-x
> >> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:09:45 -0600
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I found that the grain-dissolving action of Microdol-X left very
> >> >> >> little
> >> >> >> snap
> >> >> >> in the images. It even made Panatomic-X look bad. My advice would
> >> >> >> be....don't use.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jeffery Smith
> >> >> >> New Orleans, LA
> >> >> >> http://www.400tx.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
> >> >> >> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf 
> >> >> >> Of
> >> >> >> Philippe
> >> >> >> Orlent
> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 3:40 PM
> >> >> >> To: LUG Group
> >> >> >> Subject: [Leica] tri-x and microdol-x
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Just bought both to see how they combine.
> >> >> >> But having never worked with either: are there things that I 
> >> >> >> should
> >> >> >> know? Do's and don'ts?
> >> >> >> Push or pull?
> >> >> >> Dilute or not?
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> I would be very grateful if the combined knowledge base of the LUG
> >> >> >> would help me on this one.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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> >> >> >
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> >> >>
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In reply to: Message from jsmith342 at cox.net (Jeffery Smith) ([Leica] tri-x and microdol-x)
Message from philippe.orlent at pandora.be (Philippe Orlent) ([Leica] tri-x and microdol-x)
Message from dlridings at gmail.com (Daniel Ridings) ([Leica] tri-x and microdol-x)
Message from robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier) ([Leica] tri-x and microdol-x)
Message from dlridings at gmail.com (Daniel Ridings) ([Leica] tri-x and microdol-x)
Message from robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier) ([Leica] tri-x and microdol-x)