[Leica] OT: Hasselbald XPAN II

[don.dory at gmail.com (Don Dory)]

As and interesting aside, the dorm where my daughter is living just put a
traditional darkroom back in.  I think that film as a fine art/novelty will
be around for quite a while.

I picked up my F1N for $50.  It had seen professional use but at that price
who could argue.  On this list we have a Rolleicord with a Maxwell screen
going for $350 and a Hasselblad classic kit going for $850.  I remember when
a 80 lens went for $500 and a A12 back went for $400.  So, for those still
interested in film there are some very fine pieces out there for relatively
few dollars.

Don
don.dory@gmail.com


On 1/13/06, AHGRAVES@prodigy.net <AHGRAVES@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> My local camera shop owner often tried to make this
> argument when selling cameras to soccer moms. The
> problem that he ren into is that it takes many of them
> 3 or 4 months to finish a roll. During that time, no
> pictures. With digital, you can see the pictures
> instantly on the LCD. Goodby film, whatever the cost.
>
> On the other hand, living here in a town with a large
> university, he has noticed that the film use by the
> college students has actually gone up. They have
> figured out that they can buy a very good film camera
> and an assortment of lenses for a fraction of the cost
> of an equivalent digital system and have LOTS left to
> pay for film. They are also a lot more savvy than the
> average consumer when it comes to scaanning film to CD
> and having the best of both worlds. Maybe film isn't
> quite dead yeat.
>
> As an aside,I think that the death of current NEW film
> cameras is due in part to the fact that there is so
> much good used equipment out there going for pennies
> on the dollar. A lot of pros, for valid financial and
> practical reasons, have gone digital and dumped a huge
> amount of film equipment onto an already shrinking
> market. Many of the cameras sold in the 80's and early
> 90's essentially had all of the technology that the
> newest cameras have, so even before the emergence of
> digital there was no compelling reason to trade up for
> a new camera and the 35mm SLR market was already
> declining. Digital just accelerated some pre-existing
> trends.
>
> Allen
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: Don Dory <don.dory@gmail.com>
> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] OT: Hasselbald XPAN II
>
> >Luis,
> >No, the herd mentality has set in.  Most camera
> purchasers want a digital
> >camera and would not even consider a film camera.
> Consider that you can ge=
> >t
> >a new film Rebel or N55 or Minolta 50 with a modest
> zoom lens for under $20=
> >0
> >virtually anywhere.  Digital SLR's start around $699
> with equivalent lens.
> >In the P&S market a 35-150 zoom model can be had for
> less than $100 if a to=
> >p
> >tier brand is not required or just over $100 if you
> want a Nikon, Olympus,
> >Canon.  The digital equivalent would start at $399
> and be much larger or
> >much more expensive if about the same size.
> >
> >I still hold with my argument of several years ago.
> For the person who
> >shoots the typical 100 to 250 pictures a year, an
> analoge camera would be
> >less expensive.  $100 for the camera. $20 for 12
> rolls of film, and $90 to
> >process it.  Rounded off to $200 the first year and
> about $100 each year th=
> >e
> >camera remains operational which would probably be
> about five years.
> >Contrast that to $300 for a good 5MP camera, $20 for
> a reasonable memory
> >card, and say an average of $1 for four prints.
> After the first year it is
> >$200 for the analogue and $345 for the digital.
> After the second year it i=
> >s
> >$300 for the analogue and $365 for the digital.  So,
> after three years of
> >ownership assuming the analogue user shoots and has
> 240 prints and the
> >digital shooter shoots thousands but has 100 prints a
> year, the digital
> >photographer has finally spent less money assuming
> that the camera still
> >works.
> >
> >For the heavy shooter obviously the economics change
> pretty quickly.
> >
> >Don
> >don.dory@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >On 1/13/06, Luis Miguel Casta=F1eda
> <lmc@interlink.es> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 13/01/2006, at 0:01, mehrdad wrote:
> >>
> >> > i think the trend is to be done with film cameras
> >>
> >> sure, profit is higher if they can convince you to
> change everything
> >> every few years :)
> >>
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