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Subject: [Leica] Canon 30D?
From: bdcolen at comcast.net (B. D. Colen)
Date: Wed Jan 18 10:49:18 2006

The "noise advantage" has long been greatly exaggerated. Forget the fact
that most people pay no attention to camera noise or the size of the camera.
My Olympus E-1 DSLR is just as quiet, if not quieter, than an M.


On 1/18/06 12:00 PM, "Douglas Sharp" <douglas.sharp@gmx.de> wrote:

> It will if you're used to using 21 and 28mm lenses - The Leica DM will
> lose it's edge over SLRs in exactly one of the areas where it's superior.
> I expect, in the near future, that developments of optical (optronic?)
> high-speed shutters with no moving parts (current off = closed, current
> on = transparent)
> will kill Leicas low-noise advantage too, they already work, but the
> short shutter speeds are not yet possible from what I've heard.Get rid
> of prisms too, a really high res real-time internal viewing screen must
> be on the cards too.Put these together and the question of SLR or RF/VF
> becomes a thing of the past.
> Douglas
>  
> Richard S. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Right, but, at least for me, buying a first generation digital M won't
>> mean buying into an entirely new system and it will be a system that I
>> enjoy using.
>> 
>> I seem to be unable to express adequately just how much I dislike
>> hauling around these over-sized, over-weight, over-automated,
>> computers that pass for cameras these days.
>> 
>> 
>>> But let's be honest here - when you get the M digital body you are
>>> stepping
>>> on precisely the same treadmill. By the time it comes out, it will
>>> already
>>> be last year's technology, if that. The question is whether that
>>> technology
>>> is good enough for you for the foreseeable future. And that brings us
>>> to the
>>> question of how real the "digital treadmill" really is. Does one need to
>>> continually trade up? I'd suggest again that the 20D produces terrific
>>> results, and unless one has a specific problem or need, the
>>> introduction of
>>> the 30D shouldn't cause 20D owners to lose sleep. Think about how
>>> much of
>>> this is really just the latest example of the "mine's bigger than yours"
>>> phenomenon. What this really reminds me of is the annual introduction
>>> of the
>>> new car models each fall in the 50s and 60s - God forbid the neighbor
>>> has
>>> tail fins bigger than yours. ;-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/17/06 8:53 PM, "Richard S. Taylor" <r.s.taylor@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  Jim Laurel wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>  The digital treadmill marches on...  Damn, I'm tired of it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Me, too.  ...and it's why I'm still shooting film.  I can wait this
>>>>  out.  We'll certainly have good digital bodies for our M lenses in a
>>>>  few years.  The digital M is beginning to look like a sure thing and
>>>>  given the rumors, we may well have a Zeiss-Ikon digital and maybe
>>>>  even another Epson digital to choose from.
>>>> 
>>>>  Besides,
>>>> 
>>>>  - I enjoy using my M7 and M3.
>>>> 
>>>>  - Competent DSLRs and lenses are all BIG.  I hate carrying big
>>>>  cameras and lenses around.
>>>> 
>>>>  - Film is easily processed and digitized.
>>>> 
>>>>  - No new camera is going to help improve my ability to see and
>>>>  produce good prints, my primary interests at the moment.
>>>> 
>>>>  - $4,500 spent on a 5D and a couple of Canon lenses today (I almost
>>>>  did this) is $4,500 less I'll have to spend on a digital M two years
>>>>  from now.
>>>> 
>>>>  I just picked up a used 28mm Summicron.  It'll make a great "36mm"
>>>>  lens on my digital M.
>>>> 
>>>>  Regards.
>>>> 
>>>>  Dick
>>>>  Boston MA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  On Jan 17, 2006, at 8:59 AM, Richard S. Taylor wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Some of you might be interested in this:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Rumours: Canon EOS 30D to be announced end of February?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  http://www.photoscala.com/node/view/1204
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  This is a site my photo processor told me about last week and I've
>>>>>>  just started to check into from time to time.
>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Dick
>>>>>>  Boston MA
>>>>>> 
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