Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/03/22
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]God is right! don't tell me we opened another of those worm cans? BTW, I was once in a JU52 used by the German Air Force in that war. And yes, I'm a bit familiar with Guernica. Perhaps I should not have narrowed it down to fascists and communists but rather left wing/right wing. :-P I was in Spain in 1974. Had always wanted to go there.Maybe it was because I grew up on a diet of Hemingway, Segovia, and Corridas. It was, I am sorry to say, one of my major disappointments. Now South France, an entirely different story. Paris was absolutely and endlessly fascinating. /*It was the best of times...it was full of the damn French.*/ See ya later, alligator Walt /* */B. D. Colen wrote: >God I know I'll hate myself in the morning....but.... >I'd suggest Walt that the Spanish Civil War was, in so far as it was a fight >between Spaniards, a fight between fascists and democrats - and that all >manner of liberals, leftists, and communists flocked to the democratic side >to fight the fascists, while the Nazis backed Franco and used Spain as a >testing range for the development and refinement of weapons and tactics, >particularly the use of airpower. > >But there were plenty of well-meaning Americans, Canadians, etc., who were >not communists, who joined the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, et.al, to fight >fascism, and who were latter smeared as "commies" for their efforts. > > > > >On 3/22/06 3:11 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote: > > > >>Well Luis I will tell you, >> >>"/*I don't see.. any method at all". */I have seen more than a few >>people shot though, with a variety of weapons. I don't rely on the >>reminiscence of others for my information. Had you been following theses >>posts carefully rather than getting "emotional" about the facts it would >>be much easier to have a discussion. I don't believe anyone here, me >>included, ever tried to whitewash our governments heavy-handed actions >>in the world. It is, however, one of those historic facts that the war >>there was primarily one between fascists and communists. It is also >>quite factually evident all governments used their media to espouse >>propaganda and the propaganda at that period in time was quite >>anti-fascist, Especially for those publishing Vu and Life. >> >>As far as it being "a hurting time in our story", so what. My >>Grandfather was in WW!, my father was shot down after 50 combat missions >>in WWII. and spent a year in a German POW camp. I spent over a year in >>Vietnam. So again, regarding your story, so what? >> >>When a point of view is presented without evidence it can be refuted >>without evidence. >> >>Walt >> >>Luis Miguel Casta?eda wrote: >> >> >> >>>On 22/03/2006, at 18:56, lug-request@leica-users.org wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>And what of the"other falling soldier" that was carried off before >>>>Garcia got his? Don't tell me, "it's just a flesh wound". >>>> >>>> >>>According the original numeration from the contacts it seems that >>>Garcia got that first and suggest that the picture catching was pure >>>luck, the other was taken later, and presumably the gunshot made him >>>fell out of camera's sight, and that was way down. Mauser bullets >>>were quite powerful, the impact force used to throw bodies a few >>>steps away and even disengage members of those who took a hit, as my >>>grandfather - who had to fight - told many times. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Who could believe in the accuracy of "war archives" from 1936 Spain? >>>> >>>> >>>Well, let's accept that it will be a fake. Why two different and >>>independent war registrys (Madrid and Salamanca) will list him in the >>>same day and place that Capa stated ? why the testimonials of other >>>unit members to their brother matches? >>> >>>You can believe or not, the evidences that we can have points >>>reasonably to their veracity, you're on your right to do not accept >>>it and have doubts, but please bring up evidences instead fiddling >>>about this or that without solid arguments instead suspects . >>> >>> >>> >>>>As long as we are discussing credibility look into the Spanish >>>>governments response to Gene Smith's */Spanish Village./* >>>> >>>> >>>Mind you, I'm spanish but I won't take this as an offensive >>>statement, the same can be said about the US, the UK, France, the >>>former URSS and every single nation over this world, but please, at >>>least compare things that can be compared. That was a hurting time in >>>our story, our family ( me included) had 3 generation exile and more >>>than a handful family members killed in that war. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Saludos >>>----------------------------------------- >>>http://imaginarymagnitude.net/blog/ >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Leica Users Group. >>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Leica Users Group. >>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > >