Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/05/18
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I spent several years along the Texas/Mexico border photographing for newspapers and agencies. It was a very interesting experience and I came away from it with a high regard for the US Border Patrol. Hardworking, dedicated and very fair-minder individuals. In 4 years I never saw an instance of an agent mistreating illegals even when they didn't know they were being filmed. There are issues though with regard to illegal or undocumented border crossers. Drugs, crime, disease are just the tip of the iceberg. Legal immigration would help but it isn't the US fighting that but Mexico. Only time will tell and the current concern over immigration has given George a respite from Iraq? Walt Chris Saganich wrote: > yea, I suppose Americans were born from isolation and we promote it as > a political and personal milieu. It is sad and destructive but > necessary to keep the power structure in tact as it has been for the > past 200 years. Look at the Mexican issue. As soon as these folks > try to get into the "democratic" franchise we send out the National > Guard and the public fund sucking military contractors are all lined > up to cash in. This whole episode is a perfect example of our really > existing democracy and economy at work in all its putrid glory. > > sorry too much antihistamine blockers today... > Chris > > At 01:37 PM 5/18/2006, you wrote: > >> I do believe I mentioned something very similar? Privacy is not >> something new, only class orientated. >> >> Walt >> >> Chris Saganich wrote: >> >>> One must remember that privacy is a class issue, meaning it can be >>> bought, or fought for, but isn't given for free. >>> Chris S. >>> >>> At 10:39 AM 5/18/2006, you wrote: >>> >>>> On May 18, 2006, at 9:40 AM, Walt wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you want to let your imagination run wild then picture a public >>>>> bath system in a large American city. I think our culture has a >>>>> long way >>>>> to go before attempting to adopt the Japanese attitudes toward >>>>> privacy. >>>>> Our culture, it seems, lacks respect for much else besides >>>>> consumption. >>>>> That, and the fantasy of spreading "democracy" throughout the world. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The concept of privacy is a recent phenomenon in American culture >>>> and is absent in many world cultures. New York City had numerous >>>> public baths which were in use until the 50s. They were large, well >>>> constructed buildings with warm baths and swimming pools. A good >>>> example can be found on 23rd. St. between First Ave. and the East >>>> River. Public swimming pools are still in use. Tenements in the >>>> late 1800s and early 1900s were shared by multiple families, with >>>> perhaps 3 to 4 persons to a room. Often boarders were taken in to >>>> provide extra income. Strangers eating from a common serving plate >>>> was common in American inns and boarding houses through the early >>>> 1900s. >>>> >>>> I recently returned from a trip to Williamsburg, VA. We stayed in >>>> the Brick House, a colonial era hotel in the center of the >>>> restoration area. The hotel had 16 rooms dating from the 1700s. >>>> These rooms, about the size of a small modern bedroom, were rented >>>> to commercial travelers. The first three or four in each room got >>>> to share the bed. Late comers, bedded down on mats on the floor. On >>>> a busy market night, perhaps 6 to 8 strangers shared each room. >>>> >>>> The idea of an individual having an inviolable "personal space", >>>> exemplified as one person to one room and/or total control of >>>> information about onself, is very recent and dates from the post >>>> WW2 era. Despite what the Supreme Court says, there is no "right to >>>> privacy" in the Constitution. The implied "right to privacy" is a >>>> modern interpretation of the Framer's intent. >>>> >>>> Still, I don't want the NSA monitoring my telephone calls. >>>> >>>> Larry Z >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist >>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University >>> New York Presbyterian Hospital >>> chs2018@med.cornell.edu >>> Ph. 212.746.6964 >>> Fax. 212.746.4800 >>> Office A-0049 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist > Weill Medical College of Cornell University > New York Presbyterian Hospital > chs2018@med.cornell.edu > Ph. 212.746.6964 > Fax. 212.746.4800 > Office A-0049 > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >