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Subject: [Leica] Re: Privacy
From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge)
Date: Thu May 18 13:43:58 2006
References: <200605181340.k4IDe3wq094414@server1.waverley.reid.org> <972bf96580f35b0f80976b8344839e30@optonline.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20060518122334.00c6bec0@pop.med.cornell.edu> <446CB0F2.4090607@waltjohnson.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20060518141103.00c69a90@pop.med.cornell.edu> <446CC452.7080809@waltjohnson.com>

I respectfully request this conversation happen over on the forum in
keeping with Brian's request.

Adam

On 5/18/06, Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
> I spent several years along the Texas/Mexico border photographing for
> newspapers and agencies. It was a very interesting experience and I came
> away from it with a high regard for the US Border Patrol. Hardworking,
> dedicated and very fair-minder individuals. In 4 years I never saw an
> instance of an agent mistreating illegals even when they didn't know
> they were being filmed. There are issues  though with regard to illegal
> or undocumented border crossers. Drugs, crime, disease are just the tip
> of the iceberg. Legal immigration would help but it isn't the US
> fighting that but Mexico. Only time will tell and the current concern
> over immigration has given George a respite from Iraq?
>
> Walt
> Chris Saganich wrote:
>
> > yea, I suppose Americans were born from isolation and we promote it as
> > a political and personal milieu.  It is sad and destructive but
> > necessary to keep the power structure in tact as it has been for the
> > past 200 years.  Look at the Mexican issue.  As soon as these folks
> > try to get into the "democratic" franchise we send out the National
> > Guard and the public fund sucking military contractors are all lined
> > up to cash in.  This whole episode is a perfect example of our really
> > existing democracy and economy at work in all its putrid glory.
> >
> > sorry too much antihistamine blockers today...
> > Chris
> >
> > At 01:37 PM 5/18/2006, you wrote:
> >
> >> I do believe I mentioned something very similar? Privacy is not
> >> something new, only class orientated.
> >>
> >> Walt
> >>
> >> Chris Saganich wrote:
> >>
> >>> One must remember that privacy is a class issue, meaning it can be
> >>> bought, or fought for, but isn't given for free.
> >>> Chris S.
> >>>
> >>> At 10:39 AM 5/18/2006, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On May 18, 2006, at 9:40 AM, Walt wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If you  want to let your imagination run wild then  picture a public
> >>>>> bath system in a large American city. I think our culture has a
> >>>>> long way
> >>>>> to go before attempting to adopt the Japanese attitudes toward
> >>>>> privacy.
> >>>>> Our culture, it seems, lacks  respect for much else besides
> >>>>> consumption.
> >>>>> That, and the fantasy of spreading "democracy" throughout the world.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The concept of privacy is a recent phenomenon in American culture
> >>>> and is absent in many world cultures. New York City had numerous
> >>>> public baths which were in use until the 50s. They were large, well
> >>>> constructed buildings with warm baths and swimming pools. A good
> >>>> example can be found on 23rd. St. between First Ave. and the East
> >>>> River. Public swimming pools are still in use. Tenements in the
> >>>> late 1800s and early 1900s were shared by multiple families, with
> >>>> perhaps 3 to 4 persons to a room. Often boarders were taken in to
> >>>> provide extra income. Strangers eating from a common serving plate
> >>>> was common in American inns and boarding houses through the early
> >>>> 1900s.
> >>>>
> >>>> I recently returned from a trip to Williamsburg, VA. We stayed in
> >>>> the Brick House, a colonial era hotel in the center of the
> >>>> restoration area. The hotel had 16 rooms dating from the 1700s.
> >>>> These rooms, about the size of a small modern bedroom, were rented
> >>>> to commercial travelers. The first three or four in each room got
> >>>> to share the bed. Late comers, bedded down on mats on the floor. On
> >>>> a busy market night, perhaps 6 to 8 strangers shared each room.
> >>>>
> >>>> The idea of an individual having an inviolable "personal space",
> >>>> exemplified as one person to one room and/or total control of
> >>>> information about onself, is very recent and dates from the post
> >>>> WW2 era. Despite what the Supreme Court says, there is no "right to
> >>>> privacy" in the Constitution. The implied "right to privacy" is a
> >>>> modern interpretation of the Framer's intent.
> >>>>
> >>>> Still, I don't want the NSA monitoring my telephone calls.
> >>>>
> >>>> Larry Z
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist
> >>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University
> >>> New York Presbyterian Hospital
> >>> chs2018@med.cornell.edu
> >>> Ph. 212.746.6964
> >>> Fax. 212.746.4800
> >>> Office A-0049
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> > Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist
> > Weill Medical College of Cornell University
> > New York Presbyterian Hospital
> > chs2018@med.cornell.edu
> > Ph. 212.746.6964
> > Fax. 212.746.4800
> > Office A-0049
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
>
>
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Replies: Reply from reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us (Brian Reid) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)
Reply from philippe.orlent at pandora.be (Philippe Orlent) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)
Reply from walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)
In reply to: Message from lrzeitlin at optonline.net (Lawrence Zeitlin) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)
Message from chs2018 at med.cornell.edu (Chris Saganich) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)
Message from walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)
Message from chs2018 at med.cornell.edu (Chris Saganich) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)
Message from walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)