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Subject: [Leica] Re: 90mm's
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Tue Jun 6 09:05:47 2006
References: <04a301c68901$4d7a6f80$0a01a8c0@MacPhisto> <3.0.2.32.20060605221323.0288de60@pop.infionline.net> <4485A6F0.3030706@waltjohnson.com>

On Jun 6, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Walt Johnson wrote:

> Jeffery:
>
> Marc's comments are all BS. How the hell can you know what you're  
> shooting by hiding in the background with a long lens. There is  
> nothing wrong with getting up close and personal. The most  
> important thing is to make sure your subjects feel your respect for  
> them. They are not elements of  the composition but rather human  
> souls. Some are better than others but when treated well they  
> generally respond well.

Marc... I'm really interested in your point of view...

what is the best way to see your photos?  Are they posted somewhere  
on line?


thanks,  Steve



>
> Ralph Gibson has been discussed quite a bit and perhaps it might   
> be time to return to his work and really see it. Even though he is  
> right on top of his subjects (sometimes even closer :-[ ) I don't  
> feel his presence but rather see what he sees. You can smell the  
> sweat (or sweet fragrances) of you subjects and not be intrusive.  
> You will know this when it happens. All else is practice for the  
> real thing. (IMO)
>
> Walt
>
> P.S.  press conferences and presidential photo humps have nothing  
> to do with honesty.
>
> Marc James Small wrote:
>
>> At 08:57 PM 6/5/06 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>> Capa never said "If your pictures aren't good enough, you need a  
>>> 90."
>>>
>>> Jeffery Smith
>>> New Orleans, LA
>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>
>>
>> Jeffery
>>
>> We have never met in person but, trust me, I love you like a  
>> brother and I
>> look forward to the time when we meet in person.
>>
>> A 90mm lens is a wide-standard.  A 40cm lens is a normal lens.   
>> Stay away
>> from the folks and let them live their lives.
>>
>> The next time some jerk photojournalist shoulders his way into my  
>> face to
>> take his pictures, he really will get an elbow in his jaws.  You  
>> wide-angle
>> folks do not understand how threatening you seem to those of us  
>> who are
>> your targets.
>>
>> Capa's comment was cool for the time but was also full of BS --  
>> President
>> Truman, for instance, directed that no one at a Presidential Press
>> Conference use a lens less that 50mm.
>> Me?  Now that I am retired, I do not expect to EVER appear again at a
>> public function.  But I have done so on frequent occasion over the  
>> past
>> quarter of a century, and I have always told the Photo-Toads that  
>> I wanted
>> a 12 foot (3m) circle of safety and that I'd clobber them if they  
>> came
>> closer than that.  They knew that I meant what I said, and I  
>> generally had
>> some hefty friends along to emphasize the point.
>>
>> You wide-angle guys are simply sick.  Get back to a decent  
>> distance, let
>> the subject be okay, and shoot the picture with a 40cm Telyt.
>>
>> What YOU guys wish to do is to jam the camera into the jaws of the  
>> victim
>> and get a horrified response.  Jam a camera in my face, and you  
>> will get a
>> horrified response, which will include the destruction of your  
>> camera.
>>
>> Wide Angle Dudes.  Stay away.  Learn long lenses.  Understand that  
>> Duncan
>> and Capa were speaking for what scientists call "special  
>> circumstances".
>> I detest wide-angle lenses as they defy the very reason for  
>> photograhy  --
>> documentig reality.  Still, that 4.5/21 CZ Biogon did a hell of a  
>> hit at
>> the Bridge at Mull in Ireland back in 2001.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b?s fir gun ghr?s fir!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Replies: Reply from Jim at hemenway.com (Jim Hemenway) ([Leica] Re: 90mm's)
Reply from msmall at infionline.net (Marc James Small) ([Leica] Re: 90mm's)
In reply to: Message from leicachris at worldnet.att.net (Christopher Williams) ([Leica] Re: 90mm's)
Message from msmall at aya.yale.edu (Marc James Small) ([Leica] Re: 90mm's)
Message from walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson) ([Leica] Re: 90mm's)