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Subject: [Leica] Bryn Mawr, PA
From: bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen)
Date: Mon Oct 2 17:38:13 2006

Well, I got my first Pentax - a Honeywell Pentax - in 1963 for my 17th
birthday - so there..;-)  (With the Takamur (sp) 50 1.8 and a Schneider 135
f 3.5)


On 10/2/06 8:19 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:

> Mea Culpa
> 
> And who scans slides on a desktop? Not to one-up you old sport but I
> bought my first Pentax (Asahi) in Vietnam for 35 bucks, circa 1966.
> 
> B. D. Colen wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Wee Wally. I think you may be missing a wee point; I did NOT say that
>> he'd get better images with digital - although I think he would. And I did
>> NOT say he shouldn't shoot film - I'd never say that. What I said was that
>> scanning a slide on an Epson desk top scanner, and comparing your results 
>> to
>> what your eye sees in a slide, says absolutely nothing about whether 
>> digital
>> "capture," which I consider shooting an image with digital, using a
>> full-frame high end digital camera, does or doesn't compare favorably with
>> film. That's all. I still have - and have on my website - film images shot
>> with a pre-K1000 Pentax. ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/2/06 6:32 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> B.D.
>>> 
>>> Sorry old pal but this is beginning to sound like hokee bokee to me. I
>>> can buy a 25 year old Pentax K1000 for $125. How much will it cost me to
>>> move into the "real world" with the Canon? My Pentax K1000 will be hard
>>> to beat, especially if I pay attention to image content.
>>> 
>>> Wee Wally Winkle
>>> 
>>> B. D. Colen wrote:
>>> 
>>>    
>>> 
>>>> I'm sure you realize, Phil, that the fact that your scans of your slides
>>>> aren't up to the quality you see in your slides doesn't prove anything -
>>>> except that your 4490 scanner (hardly the be-all and end-all in 
>>>> scanning)
>>>> combined with your scanning skills can't produce scans that are the 
>>>> same as
>>>> what your eyes see in the slides. Before you can say that the "50 year 
>>>> old
>>>> technology still trumps digital capture," perhaps you should compare
>>>> digital
>>>> capture to the 50-year-old technology - because, of course, there is
>>>> nothing
>>>> in your post about digital capture:
>>>> Put a full-frame digital SLR - say the Canon EOS1DS MkII on a tripod, 
>>>> next
>>>> to whatever film camera you're taking. Shoot the same scene, with the 
>>>> same
>>>> lens, and equivalent exposures - after you've calibrated for the 
>>>> camera's
>>>> sensor, make adjustments in Photoshop, because of course you'll be 
>>>> shooting
>>>> RAW and the image will need sharpening and the same kind of contrast
>>>> adjustment the film gives the scene, and then begin to make comparisons.
>>>> 
>>>> It's great that you're happy with the "50 year-old-technology;" but 
>>>> please,
>>>> let's talk real comparisons if you're going to make comparisons. ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/2/06 2:47 PM, "Philip Forrest" <photo.forrest@earthlink.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>      
>>>> 
>>>>> Here are a few scans of some Velvia 100 I shot out in Bryn Mawr, PA
>>>>> earlier
>>>>> this spring with Jim Shulman.  My Epson 4490 just doesn't have the 
>>>>> dynamic
>>>>> range of the chromes themselves.  I would have to do multiple scans
>>>>> weighted
>>>>> towards each color channel in order to get the incredible amount of
>>>>> saturation that the film shows.  One more reason why 50 year old
>>>>> technology
>>>>> still trumps digital capture.  Not that I don't like digital, I just 
>>>>> don't
>>>>> love it like my Velvia.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/PForrest/BrynMawr_04E.jpg
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/PForrest/BrynMawr_03E.jpg
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/PForrest/BrynMawr_02E.jpg
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/PForrest/BrynMawr_01E.jpg
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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